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yep. same troll

by muro 16y ago

yep. same troll

tzs 16y ago
How exactly is he a troll? He's been one of the leading fighters against software patents, and has presented years of good analysis. The notion that he's some kind of troll seems to have originated at Groklaw, most likely because he violates the Groklaw Prime Directive (do not criticize IBM).
- FlorianMueller 16y ago
  You are right about the Groklaw/IBM "prime directive". Groklaw actually linked to my NoSoftwarePatents campaign several times in 2004, and the relationship turned sour in January 2005 when I criticized IBM's patent pledge. Groklaw was then against me in connection with the Oracle/Sun debate, and completely flew off the handle in the IBM/TurboHercules context. I have repeatedly (and even somewhat recently) tried to engage with "PJ" in a constructive dialog. Unfortunately, I didn't walk through an open door there.
- ZeroGravitas 16y ago
  He's not fighting software patents any more though is he? He's decided that fight can't be won and now he inserts himself into every other press article involving patents and open source and says that whoever holds the patents will win and those opposing stand no chance. Often this campaign of patent FUD (yes, I know it's a cliche) involves linkbaity headlines and articles like this one. Whether it's just out of control self-promotion or something even better paid, I'd quite like it if he stopped getting himself quoted as if he's speaking for the wider open source community. They have a variety of opinions on patents and how to work with, work around or work against them but even within that broad spectrum Florian's more recent opinions seem to be somewhat extreme and idiosyncratic, not to mention overly dramatic.
  - FlorianMueller 16y ago
    I take a more differentiated look at those patent disputes than what you claim. I encourage you to take a look at the documents contained in this folder: http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/2770688 http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/2770688 What you call a "linkbaity headline" was just a quote from Oracle's filing. I never claimed nor implied to speak for the wider open source community. In this blog post (published in December) I even made it absolutely clear that I don't: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/foss-focus-philosophy-setting-record.html http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/foss-focus-philosoph...

yep. same troll

by muro 16y ago

yep. same troll

tzs 16y ago

How exactly is he a troll? He's been one of the leading fighters against software patents, and has presented years of good analysis. The notion that he's some kind of troll seems to have originated at Groklaw, most likely because he violates the Groklaw Prime Directive (do not criticize IBM).

FlorianMueller 16y ago
You are right about the Groklaw/IBM "prime directive". Groklaw actually linked to my NoSoftwarePatents campaign several times in 2004, and the relationship turned sour in January 2005 when I criticized IBM's patent pledge. Groklaw was then against me in connection with the Oracle/Sun debate, and completely flew off the handle in the IBM/TurboHercules context. I have repeatedly (and even somewhat recently) tried to engage with "PJ" in a constructive dialog. Unfortunately, I didn't walk through an open door there.
ZeroGravitas 16y ago
He's not fighting software patents any more though is he? He's decided that fight can't be won and now he inserts himself into every other press article involving patents and open source and says that whoever holds the patents will win and those opposing stand no chance. Often this campaign of patent FUD (yes, I know it's a cliche) involves linkbaity headlines and articles like this one. Whether it's just out of control self-promotion or something even better paid, I'd quite like it if he stopped getting himself quoted as if he's speaking for the wider open source community. They have a variety of opinions on patents and how to work with, work around or work against them but even within that broad spectrum Florian's more recent opinions seem to be somewhat extreme and idiosyncratic, not to mention overly dramatic.
- FlorianMueller 16y ago
  I take a more differentiated look at those patent disputes than what you claim. I encourage you to take a look at the documents contained in this folder: http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/2770688 http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/2770688 What you call a "linkbaity headline" was just a quote from Oracle's filing. I never claimed nor implied to speak for the wider open source community. In this blog post (published in December) I even made it absolutely clear that I don't: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/foss-focus-philosophy-setting-record.html http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/foss-focus-philosoph...