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> No _one_ forces This assumes a subject is required for coercion. It might be that multiplayer games are the only way for someone to escape.

willis936 7y ago
You’ll need to make a hell of an argument to make that sound reasonable.
- ianleeclark 7y ago
  > You’ll need to make a hell of an argument to make that sound reasonable. I don't think this is really as difficult as you imagine. People in poverty have the decision to work or die. Poverty is a form of objective violence. Therefore, people are coerced by objective violence that doesn't depend on any sort of task master whipping them into action.
  - willis936 7y ago
    It’s the last sentence that is in need of a strong argument. Contemporary society hasn’t morphed in the past 30 years to make the only apparent reasonable escape be multiplayer video games. In fact, there have never been more options than ever for escape. And if they all seem too much and it’s the options that weigh on you, making a habit of going on walks outside has not gone anywhere.
    - ianleeclark 7y ago
      > Contemporary society hasn’t morphed in the past 30 years to make the only apparent reasonable escape be multiplayer video games. I don't think that video games need to be the only form of escapism for my argument to hold true. It's a form of escapism that people are taking a part in to avoid the whatever boogeymen exist in the day-to-day. So, while individuals could find themselves in different forms of escapism--drugs, cults, &c.--they may still be finding themselves there after not having been coerced by any other person. I'm responding to specifically you saying "No >one< forces," someone to play video games, but the "video games" isn't the important part. The important part, to me, is you saying that there needs to be some subject coercing another subject. Why is this an important distinction? The same or similar forces are likely causing the individual to cheat, so there has to be some serious consideration into how culpable the cheater actually is.
      - willis936 7y ago
        I have no argument with that. My issue is with the justification of cheating in video games because of some thing perceived as owed to some players and not others.
        mnowicki 7y ago
        I don't think he means it's a valid justification, just a rationalization that is sometimes used, whether valid or not

willis936 7y ago

You’ll need to make a hell of an argument to make that sound reasonable.

ianleeclark 7y ago
> You’ll need to make a hell of an argument to make that sound reasonable. I don't think this is really as difficult as you imagine. People in poverty have the decision to work or die. Poverty is a form of objective violence. Therefore, people are coerced by objective violence that doesn't depend on any sort of task master whipping them into action.
- willis936 7y ago
  It’s the last sentence that is in need of a strong argument. Contemporary society hasn’t morphed in the past 30 years to make the only apparent reasonable escape be multiplayer video games. In fact, there have never been more options than ever for escape. And if they all seem too much and it’s the options that weigh on you, making a habit of going on walks outside has not gone anywhere.
  - ianleeclark 7y ago
    > Contemporary society hasn’t morphed in the past 30 years to make the only apparent reasonable escape be multiplayer video games. I don't think that video games need to be the only form of escapism for my argument to hold true. It's a form of escapism that people are taking a part in to avoid the whatever boogeymen exist in the day-to-day. So, while individuals could find themselves in different forms of escapism--drugs, cults, &c.--they may still be finding themselves there after not having been coerced by any other person. I'm responding to specifically you saying "No >one< forces," someone to play video games, but the "video games" isn't the important part. The important part, to me, is you saying that there needs to be some subject coercing another subject. Why is this an important distinction? The same or similar forces are likely causing the individual to cheat, so there has to be some serious consideration into how culpable the cheater actually is.
    - willis936 7y ago
      I have no argument with that. My issue is with the justification of cheating in video games because of some thing perceived as owed to some players and not others.
      - mnowicki 7y ago
        I don't think he means it's a valid justification, just a rationalization that is sometimes used, whether valid or not