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Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraf

Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraft) - in this case, I would say it IS related to the conflict, even though it is entirely on one side.

contravariant 7y ago
At this rate, even if there's no causal relation it will still be related to the conflict before the day is over.
kitteh 7y ago
Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.
- saberdancer 7y ago
  That is what makes it problematic, but then again MH17 was also flying a regular route. People on edge make mistakes, and this plane was not flying on schedule which could have been what caused them to misidentify the plane. In a normal situation they'd investigate but this was not a normal situation.
  - kitteh 7y ago
    Eh to be fair there were plenty of NOTAMs out warning against the routes MH17 was on. However, the amount of garbage in NOTAMs makes it incredibly difficult for people to parse and take appropriate action. There are some great efforts by folks like Ops Group to try uplevel this space but it's difficult when people are overly broad with warnings for the sake of covering their ass legally. Then there are the situations where two countries are arguing over airspace boundaries, etc.
- rurban 7y ago
  Yeah. But this was the very first morning flight at 5:15 AM this day, and possibly end of shift of a trigger-happy revolutionary guard in high alert. Massive error very likely. And very unlikely that it will be actually solved.
  - saberdancer 7y ago
    The plane was delayed on takeoff so it was "off schedule". It can trick you into thinking it's an unknown plane.
actuator 7y ago
It would kind of make sense as after launching missiles on US bases they would have put their air defense systems on high alert causing someone to panic and assuming a retaliatory attack. Similar thing happened in Feb 2019 when Indian Air Force shot down their own helicopter during a high alert scenario after attacking targets in Pakistan day before. [1] Use Adblocker: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/iaf-chopper-budgam-crash-hit-by-indian-missile-probe-report-balakot-airstrike-pulwama-pakistan-5931776/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/iaf-chopper-budgam-c...

contravariant 7y ago

At this rate, even if there's no causal relation it will still be related to the conflict before the day is over.

kitteh 7y ago

Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.

saberdancer 7y ago
That is what makes it problematic, but then again MH17 was also flying a regular route. People on edge make mistakes, and this plane was not flying on schedule which could have been what caused them to misidentify the plane. In a normal situation they'd investigate but this was not a normal situation.
- kitteh 7y ago
  Eh to be fair there were plenty of NOTAMs out warning against the routes MH17 was on. However, the amount of garbage in NOTAMs makes it incredibly difficult for people to parse and take appropriate action. There are some great efforts by folks like Ops Group to try uplevel this space but it's difficult when people are overly broad with warnings for the sake of covering their ass legally. Then there are the situations where two countries are arguing over airspace boundaries, etc.
rurban 7y ago
Yeah. But this was the very first morning flight at 5:15 AM this day, and possibly end of shift of a trigger-happy revolutionary guard in high alert. Massive error very likely. And very unlikely that it will be actually solved.
- saberdancer 7y ago
  The plane was delayed on takeoff so it was "off schedule". It can trick you into thinking it's an unknown plane.

actuator 7y ago

It would kind of make sense as after launching missiles on US bases they would have put their air defense systems on high alert causing someone to panic and assuming a retaliatory attack. Similar thing happened in Feb 2019 when Indian Air Force shot down their own helicopter during a high alert scenario after attacking targets in Pakistan day before. [1] Use Adblocker: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/iaf-chopper-budgam-crash-hit-by-indian-missile-probe-report-balakot-airstrike-pulwama-pakistan-5931776/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/iaf-chopper-budgam-c...