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I really wish "Credit Card Sized" would take into account all three dimensions. This thing looks 5 to 10 times bigger than a credit card! I was super excited cl

by cryptoz 16y ago

I really wish "Credit Card Sized" would take into account all three dimensions. This thing looks 5 to 10 times bigger than a credit card! I was super excited clicking on this headline, waiting for an actual really serious innovation in small technology. Imagine a credit card with a touch screen and the Internet and apps and oh wow this is going to be so cool! Oh. It's huge.

jaysonelliot 16y ago
If we only have to consider two dimensions for something to be credit card sized, then I suppose these beams of lumber are "credit card sized" as well: http://bit.ly/fN3tns http://bit.ly/fN3tns
kylec 16y ago
Well, it's hard to tell. When looking at the photos without any frame of reference, the phone looks enormously thick because it's hard to visualize how much smaller the face is. Apple had a similar problem when they announced the iPod 5G - it was thinner with a wider screen, which led to the illusion that the device itself had actually gotten wider.
juiceandjuice 16y ago
The point is, it's small enough that girls will want it because it will fit in their pockets.
- barista 16y ago
  But isn't a usable screen size a big factor when selecting a smartphone? I dread browsing on the credit-card screen or playing games or writing email or doing anything else that I do on my phone
  - juiceandjuice 16y ago
    This phone has a pull out keyboard, that means you still get have a similar area to write emails that an iPhone would with a virtual keyboard. So, for communication and entering text, I don't see how this would be inferior to an iPhone unless you are only using a virtual keyboard. For browsing, you're correct. Scrolling up on a text message in landscape mode is nearly impossible on my iPhone. The vertical screen real estate is smaller than the width of my thumb.
  - dagw 16y ago
    I have an xperia mini pro, which has the same screen size, and playing games and browsing is fine. I probably wouldn't read a book on it, but I happily read blogs, news sites and the like.
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- Qz 16y ago
  I always thought that was a jean design problem and not a phone design problem...
- whakojacko 16y ago
  I would guess its far too thick to fit in most women's pants pockets-Im not female, but I have a few coworkers who put iphones in their front pockets of jeans at work sometimes and they say its already a tight fit as-is. Even if that were the case, optimizing for that problem is fairly silly regardless.
devindotcom 16y ago
It's credit-card-sized on its largest, user-facing side. It's the easiest size analogy and one most people can relate to. It is 15mm thick, which is 5mm thicker than an iPhone, but really, the only thing that matters is how it actually handles. We posted a follow-up with hands-on pictures here if you want to get more of a feel for the size: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/02/09/hands-on-gallery-the-itty-bitty-webos-powered-hp-veer/ http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/02/09/hands-on-gallery-the-...
- cryptoz 16y ago
  > It's the easiest size analogy and one most people can relate to. It's also extremely misleading! I can fit ~20 credit cards in my normal wallet. I can fit 0 of these phones. Given the headline, I think most people were expecting something that is a similar size as a credit card; maybe we could start keeping our phones inside our wallets! So many cool ideas come from this, but they are all destroyed when we realize the phone is actually significantly larger than even a stack of credit cards. I hope I'm not coming off as mean, or rude, here. I just got so excited, you see! Thanks for the extra link, it does help get a good idea for size.
- jaysonelliot 16y ago
  In that case, the best analogy would have been to say it was "wallet-sized." It's more accurate, and just as easy to relate to.
  - dagw 16y ago
    "wallet-sized" means nothing to me since wallets come in all kinds of sizes, from just bigger than a credit card to larger than two iPhones side by side. Credit cards are all the same size.
    - jaysonelliot 16y ago
      And none of those credit cards are the size of a Veer.
temporarius 16y ago
Thin phones are not practical. I can tell that as a proud former owner of Samsung Ultra -- 7 mm thick -- that broke in half when I forgot to take it out of the back pocket and sat on it. It was a delightfully elegant phone, but very fragile.

by cryptoz 16y ago

jaysonelliot 16y ago

If we only have to consider two dimensions for something to be credit card sized, then I suppose these beams of lumber are "credit card sized" as well: http://bit.ly/fN3tns http://bit.ly/fN3tns

kylec 16y ago

Well, it's hard to tell. When looking at the photos without any frame of reference, the phone looks enormously thick because it's hard to visualize how much smaller the face is. Apple had a similar problem when they announced the iPod 5G - it was thinner with a wider screen, which led to the illusion that the device itself had actually gotten wider.

juiceandjuice 16y ago

The point is, it's small enough that girls will want it because it will fit in their pockets.

barista 16y ago
But isn't a usable screen size a big factor when selecting a smartphone? I dread browsing on the credit-card screen or playing games or writing email or doing anything else that I do on my phone
- juiceandjuice 16y ago
  This phone has a pull out keyboard, that means you still get have a similar area to write emails that an iPhone would with a virtual keyboard. So, for communication and entering text, I don't see how this would be inferior to an iPhone unless you are only using a virtual keyboard. For browsing, you're correct. Scrolling up on a text message in landscape mode is nearly impossible on my iPhone. The vertical screen real estate is smaller than the width of my thumb.
- dagw 16y ago
  I have an xperia mini pro, which has the same screen size, and playing games and browsing is fine. I probably wouldn't read a book on it, but I happily read blogs, news sites and the like.
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Qz 16y ago
I always thought that was a jean design problem and not a phone design problem...
whakojacko 16y ago
I would guess its far too thick to fit in most women's pants pockets-Im not female, but I have a few coworkers who put iphones in their front pockets of jeans at work sometimes and they say its already a tight fit as-is. Even if that were the case, optimizing for that problem is fairly silly regardless.

devindotcom 16y ago

It's credit-card-sized on its largest, user-facing side. It's the easiest size analogy and one most people can relate to. It is 15mm thick, which is 5mm thicker than an iPhone, but really, the only thing that matters is how it actually handles. We posted a follow-up with hands-on pictures here if you want to get more of a feel for the size: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/02/09/hands-on-gallery-the-itty-bitty-webos-powered-hp-veer/ http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/02/09/hands-on-gallery-the-...

cryptoz 16y ago
> It's the easiest size analogy and one most people can relate to. It's also extremely misleading! I can fit ~20 credit cards in my normal wallet. I can fit 0 of these phones. Given the headline, I think most people were expecting something that is a similar size as a credit card; maybe we could start keeping our phones inside our wallets! So many cool ideas come from this, but they are all destroyed when we realize the phone is actually significantly larger than even a stack of credit cards. I hope I'm not coming off as mean, or rude, here. I just got so excited, you see! Thanks for the extra link, it does help get a good idea for size.
jaysonelliot 16y ago
In that case, the best analogy would have been to say it was "wallet-sized." It's more accurate, and just as easy to relate to.
- dagw 16y ago
  "wallet-sized" means nothing to me since wallets come in all kinds of sizes, from just bigger than a credit card to larger than two iPhones side by side. Credit cards are all the same size.
  - jaysonelliot 16y ago
    And none of those credit cards are the size of a Veer.

temporarius 16y ago

Thin phones are not practical. I can tell that as a proud former owner of Samsung Ultra -- 7 mm thick -- that broke in half when I forgot to take it out of the back pocket and sat on it. It was a delightfully elegant phone, but very fragile.