Well, I suppose it depends on what exactly the facts being discussed are. For example, are we discussing: - numbers of fires actually started by people (and,

Well, I suppose it depends on what exactly the facts being discussed are. For example, are we discussing: - numbers of fires actually started by people (and, deliberately vs accidentally) - (the unknown) number of people who have actually engaged in risky behavior - numbers of people who have been arrested (charged?) for any of the above > The basis for those numbers is irrelevant In terms of my "casual" accusation, agreed. I think it's fair to say that in this case it was actually me who was speaking too casually due to a preoccupation with the philosophical ideas around facts.