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> How exactly would this particular trade-off increase total deaths? Do you think this is happening in Oslo? What if I am having a heart attack and the ambulan
by mamurphy 7y ago
> How exactly would this particular trade-off increase total deaths? Do you think this is happening in Oslo?
What if I am having a heart attack and the ambulance is on the way? If it gets there within 5 minutes, I can be saved, if not I die. Oh well, no going over 20 mph, I'm dead.
I would hope Oslo has a carve out for emergency response, but I don't see one in the article.
Much, much, more abstractly, as the article points out, suburbs are much denser in American than in Olso. "If I could work on my lifesaving cancer cure 8hr/day I would cure it in 10 years, but at 7hr/day I only cure it in 12 years. I can only spend so much time at work and commuting. Oh well, no going over 20mph, it takes me years longer." Lots of productivity losses (some of which are undoubtedly going to result in loss of life) if a(not atypical) American 20 mile commute now takes an hour instead of 20 minutes.
It would take restructuring of roadways on a massive scale in America to have this policy not result in staggering productivity/time losses. The article admits this ("it's going to require both institutional and far-reaching cultural changes", "It will take decades"). Without massive changes, adopting this policy would, as the article states, "incite riots in no time." I'd welcome taking steps towards transit restructuring.
However, there seems to be little political will for even basic incremental steps. That's why zero deaths seems impossible - getting even basic, functioning, public transit is hard in America.
- AstralStorm 7y agoEmergency vehicles are exempt from many laws and granted priority exactly for this reason - so that they reach you in 5 min, quite an impossible task given the congestion. I'm not sure about Norway, but definitely in Poland. Suburbs too dense sounds like a virtual problem. Concentrate like Singapore or Seoul, more density yet less traffic. Even more ecological if public transportation works properly. US population density is kept artificially low because everyone wants to own land. That is a "dream" sold by realtors, with obvious lack of focus on the costs of it.