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Freedom always implies balancing risk. If you eliminate all risk you end up in a box where all dangers are kept out. But then you die of something else. Probabl

Freedom always implies balancing risk. If you eliminate all risk you end up in a box where all dangers are kept out. But then you die of something else. Probably boredom due to lack of input. I don't have public transport available. So for freedom in general, take away access to public transport and cars become freedom to move. Even when public transport is available its not when I need it. Or how I need it. I need to move this odd shaped or heavy or inconvenient equipment now. Not in 5 minutes. Not in 15. I won't tolerate your rules on what I put in the car or truck I own either. The time of day is also important. I won't tolerate you saying "please wait 30 minutes" or "we can have a vehicle available tomorrow at 9am". Now. Obligatory notes: - I'm not in favor of more road deaths. - I'm in favor of sensible road speed limits and school zones. - I'm not in favor of speed limits being used as revenue streams. - People need to actually stop tailgating and learn how to drive at appropriate speeds. - I'm not against areas being pedestrian zones with entire streets blocked off. I like to walk as well. - People are bad drivers some of the time or most of the time in many cases. They make mistakes. "No deaths" means an absolute guarantee. Real life has opinions about absolute guarantees: they are usually either strong fact or a temporary fiction that has harsh consequences while its maintained. - I think the "cure" for road deaths using just legislation and too low speed limits will cause societal distortions similar to the madness that prohibition had on general society (the government went so far they actually thought poisoning alcohol was a legitimate measure). - auto-pilot for cars and trucks is worth pursuing. On a related note: you wrote, "It makes it so I am afraid to let them go anywhere without me or another adult." Sounds like helicopter parenting[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent

cgrealy 7y ago
>I need to move this odd shaped or heavy or inconvenient equipment now. Not in 5 minutes. Not in 15. No, you don't. You want to move it now, but in general, you don't need to move it now. > I won't tolerate your rules on what I put in the car or truck I own either. Yes, you will, or you won't drive on publicly funded roads. You are not licenced to transport nuclear waste. You are not licenced to transport explosives. You need the right vehicle to transport an heavy or insecure load. Your freedom to transport whatever you want does not supersede other peoples freedom to drive in a safe environment.
- sfgweilr4f 7y ago
  Well I had a inspection I had to do last week. Equipment had to be out within two days. I was available on one day. So yes, Now. Not later. Now. Where's your public transport? Perhaps a van? No. Now. I was referring to public transport rules and people's random car rules, eg Uber. But you want to enumerate toxic materials laws and assert I'm against that so you are Right and I'm Wrong in some attempt to show I'm completely unreasonable and probably kick puppies. So, Obligatory note addendum to clarify so the internet feels safe: - no, I'm not in favor of transporting unrestricted nuclear fuel in cars in icecream tubs in peoples laps while they speak on the phone and read the newspaper. - yes I want freedom to have a vehicle of my own so that an odd shaped box that wont fit in a Uber can actually be moved. - no that odd shaped box doesn't contain industrial waste. And no, I'm not an advocate for that. - yes that box complies with standard size requirements. It does not stretch out the back like a jousting lance. - having to clarify this stuff is bad. its like providing a legal document with so many clauses you forget the original point. - And yes that guy is a helicopter parent to whatever degree. - and yes, I've lost a family member to a road bicycle incident. The investigation showed that the only real way to have prevented that incident would have been to ban all road bikes. That seems unwise.
dkhenry 7y ago
Getting hit by a car is the leading cause of death of children[1]. Its not helicopter parenting its knowing that more kids die from cars then by any preventable cause. Anyone with kids knows the danger having kids on or near busy roads, and because people insist that they _need_ to have the convenience of a car right now and not in 5 minutes we make it so our kids can't walk to school or the park without them getting hit by a car going too fast in a residential neighborhood. 1. https://www.qualityhealth.com/childrens-health-and-parenting-articles/common-causes-death-children https://www.qualityhealth.com/childrens-health-and-parenting...
- sfgweilr4f 7y ago
  "It makes it so I am afraid to let them go anywhere without me or another adult." Sounds like helicopter parenting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent
  - dkhenry 7y ago
    It doesn't and the fact you latched onto that statement makes me thing you don't actually understand it. You want to believe this is just over protective parenting, but you don't understand how the sprawl of modern development has made it impossible for kids to be kids. Take a look at this development[1] which was built in the 70's and is very idiomatic of how communities have been built post WWII. It is surrounded by highways, with no sidewalks, and its miles from any kind of playground or commercial center. You literally can't go anywhere without an adult taking you. Even today in area's that were once roamable by kids the increase in population growth in population without changing how we move people around means its no longer able to be navigated without being in a car. This isn't just kids either, even as an adult I am finding it hard to get around not being in a car. 1. https://www.google.com/maps/place/1406-1416+Wolftrap+Run+Rd,+Vienna,+VA+22182/@38.9435585,-77.2615547,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sWolf+Trap!3m4!1s0x89b64a7249aa4441:0xb016e9d46bd9b1d!8m2!3d38.9435585!4d-77.259366 https://www.google.com/maps/place/1406-1416+Wolftrap+Run+Rd,...
    - sfgweilr4f 7y ago

cgrealy 7y ago

>I need to move this odd shaped or heavy or inconvenient equipment now. Not in 5 minutes. Not in 15. No, you don't. You want to move it now, but in general, you don't need to move it now. > I won't tolerate your rules on what I put in the car or truck I own either. Yes, you will, or you won't drive on publicly funded roads. You are not licenced to transport nuclear waste. You are not licenced to transport explosives. You need the right vehicle to transport an heavy or insecure load. Your freedom to transport whatever you want does not supersede other peoples freedom to drive in a safe environment.

sfgweilr4f 7y ago
Well I had a inspection I had to do last week. Equipment had to be out within two days. I was available on one day. So yes, Now. Not later. Now. Where's your public transport? Perhaps a van? No. Now. I was referring to public transport rules and people's random car rules, eg Uber. But you want to enumerate toxic materials laws and assert I'm against that so you are Right and I'm Wrong in some attempt to show I'm completely unreasonable and probably kick puppies. So, Obligatory note addendum to clarify so the internet feels safe: - no, I'm not in favor of transporting unrestricted nuclear fuel in cars in icecream tubs in peoples laps while they speak on the phone and read the newspaper. - yes I want freedom to have a vehicle of my own so that an odd shaped box that wont fit in a Uber can actually be moved. - no that odd shaped box doesn't contain industrial waste. And no, I'm not an advocate for that. - yes that box complies with standard size requirements. It does not stretch out the back like a jousting lance. - having to clarify this stuff is bad. its like providing a legal document with so many clauses you forget the original point. - And yes that guy is a helicopter parent to whatever degree. - and yes, I've lost a family member to a road bicycle incident. The investigation showed that the only real way to have prevented that incident would have been to ban all road bikes. That seems unwise.

dkhenry 7y ago

Getting hit by a car is the leading cause of death of children[1]. Its not helicopter parenting its knowing that more kids die from cars then by any preventable cause. Anyone with kids knows the danger having kids on or near busy roads, and because people insist that they _need_ to have the convenience of a car right now and not in 5 minutes we make it so our kids can't walk to school or the park without them getting hit by a car going too fast in a residential neighborhood. 1. https://www.qualityhealth.com/childrens-health-and-parenting-articles/common-causes-death-children https://www.qualityhealth.com/childrens-health-and-parenting...

sfgweilr4f 7y ago
"It makes it so I am afraid to let them go anywhere without me or another adult." Sounds like helicopter parenting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent
- dkhenry 7y ago
  It doesn't and the fact you latched onto that statement makes me thing you don't actually understand it. You want to believe this is just over protective parenting, but you don't understand how the sprawl of modern development has made it impossible for kids to be kids. Take a look at this development[1] which was built in the 70's and is very idiomatic of how communities have been built post WWII. It is surrounded by highways, with no sidewalks, and its miles from any kind of playground or commercial center. You literally can't go anywhere without an adult taking you. Even today in area's that were once roamable by kids the increase in population growth in population without changing how we move people around means its no longer able to be navigated without being in a car. This isn't just kids either, even as an adult I am finding it hard to get around not being in a car. 1. https://www.google.com/maps/place/1406-1416+Wolftrap+Run+Rd,+Vienna,+VA+22182/@38.9435585,-77.2615547,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sWolf+Trap!3m4!1s0x89b64a7249aa4441:0xb016e9d46bd9b1d!8m2!3d38.9435585!4d-77.259366 https://www.google.com/maps/place/1406-1416+Wolftrap+Run+Rd,...
  - sfgweilr4f 7y ago