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> Hotz tweeted from the official Comma.ai account that rather than providing the requisite response, the company would instead be cancelling Comma One entirely,

> Hotz tweeted from the official Comma.ai account that rather than providing the requisite response, the company would instead be cancelling Comma One entirely, and turning its attention to “other products and markets,” since Hotz says that the prospect of a life “dealing with regulators and lawyers… isn’t worth it.” ...Wow. Maybe don't develop autonomous driving tech then?

kick 7y ago
Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.
- ohazi 7y ago
  Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"? Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.
  - kick 7y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility. A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.
- Barrin92 7y ago
  >Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?
  - kick 7y ago
    You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585
    - anfractuosity 7y ago
      I thought the computer vision model wasn't open?
  - DesolationJones 7y ago
    It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.
    - Barrin92 7y ago
      The people who are consumers of these products are not necessarily software engineers, so no everyone cannot evaluate the quality of these products. Secondly, the models are not open source, and even if they were looking at them tells them nothing about the quality of the product. The only way to actually access the quality of these products is through independent testing by a body that is qualified and reputable enough to do so. Which in my opinion should happen before even a single one of these devices is actually allowed to participate in regular traffic.
      - DesolationJones 7y ago
        It was made fully opened sourced last year. https://medium.com/@chengyao.shen/decoding-comma-ai-openpilot-the-driving-model-a1ad3b4a3612 https://medium.com/@chengyao.shen/decoding-comma-ai-openpilo...
        jsjohnst 7y ago
        > it was made fully opened source Unless something changed I missed, the part I emphasized is not true. There’s binary blobs in the source code that last I heard would not be released.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  Their tech is nowhere close to the top two.
matz1 7y ago
Or maybe don't have such a stringent regulation ?

kick 7y ago

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

ohazi 7y ago
Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"? Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.
- kick 7y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility. A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.
Barrin92 7y ago
>Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?
- kick 7y ago
  You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585
  - anfractuosity 7y ago
    I thought the computer vision model wasn't open?
- DesolationJones 7y ago
  It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.
  - Barrin92 7y ago
    The people who are consumers of these products are not necessarily software engineers, so no everyone cannot evaluate the quality of these products. Secondly, the models are not open source, and even if they were looking at them tells them nothing about the quality of the product. The only way to actually access the quality of these products is through independent testing by a body that is qualified and reputable enough to do so. Which in my opinion should happen before even a single one of these devices is actually allowed to participate in regular traffic.
    - DesolationJones 7y ago
      It was made fully opened sourced last year. https://medium.com/@chengyao.shen/decoding-comma-ai-openpilot-the-driving-model-a1ad3b4a3612 https://medium.com/@chengyao.shen/decoding-comma-ai-openpilo...
      - jsjohnst 7y ago
        > it was made fully opened source Unless something changed I missed, the part I emphasized is not true. There’s binary blobs in the source code that last I heard would not be released.
lawnchair_larry 7y ago
Their tech is nowhere close to the top two.

matz1 7y ago

Or maybe don't have such a stringent regulation ?