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I don't get people who say Google is getting worse myself. If any of you know search engine building so well and aren't working for another search engine (like

by tibbon 16y ago

I don't get people who say Google is getting worse myself. If any of you know search engine building so well and aren't working for another search engine (like DuckDuckGo) why not take your expertise to Google and help fix the problem?

eitland 16y ago
Please take a look in earlier threads. Google doesn't even listen to patio11 before he writes a blog post that reaches #1 on HN.
- Matt_Cutts 16y ago
  Actually, I passed patio11's blog post around widely within Google. Feedback like that is welcome because it prompts us to think about what we need to do better.
  - eitland 16y ago
    You passed patio11's blog post around before or after it hit HN front page? (If it was distributed inside Google before reaching HN front page, I was wrong.)
PatrickTulskie 16y ago
You bring up an interesting point. It would be nice if there was some sort of way real people could rank results. Even as an engineer, I am often frustrated by the results I get, but I have a hard time articulating what Google could do to show me what I wanted on the first page.
citricsquid 16y ago
FYI DDG just uses the bing API and then does some fancy stuff on top of it, so technically they're not a "better search engine" they're just a prettier bing.
- epi0Bauqu 16y ago
  FYI: no, actually we are a hybrid search eninge. We have our own crawling and indexing that is merged with about 15 external APIs.
  - citricsquid 16y ago
    "hybrid search engine" is just worthless words, what does it even mean? If you want people to stop saying you're just syndicating others data publish the amount of others data you do use, but when I've compared bing.com searches with yours they're very similar whereas google is different, which would imply you're heavily taking from bing, whether or not you crawl yourself...
    - epi0Bauqu 16y ago
      So I'm required to divulge information to stop you from spreading false claims? You said "they're just a prettier bing." I have ~100K lines of code in front of me right now that has nothing to do with UI, although I think UI is tremendously important and has been a primary focus as well. Nevertheless, I've talked about all of this at length numerous times -- in videos, on HN, my blog, etc. Bottom line though is you can compare for yourself. We do certainly draw on Bing, but its importance will heavily vary per query and for many queries we'll look completely different. It really depends.
      - citricsquid 16y ago
        False claims? It's what you've said[1][2], albeit a long time ago, but because I can't find any up to date information that you've published (care to link to it?) I can't suddenly know something else. You're not required to do anything, you can tell me to piss off if you like, but if you want people to claim things and for them to be factually accurate you should publish this information, and if you have then please link to it because I'm struggling to find it. If you want people to stop spreading misinformation (intentional or mistaken) then spread the correct information, otherwise learn to accept that when you say you use the bing api but refuse to explain to what extent, people will assume your site is entirely powered by it. [1] http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/02/thoughts-on-yahoo-boss-monetization-announcement.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/02/thoughts-on-yaho... [2] http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/03/duck-duck-go-architecture.html#IDComment79453829 http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/03/duck-duck-go-arc...

by tibbon 16y ago

eitland 16y ago

Please take a look in earlier threads. Google doesn't even listen to patio11 before he writes a blog post that reaches #1 on HN.

Matt_Cutts 16y ago
Actually, I passed patio11's blog post around widely within Google. Feedback like that is welcome because it prompts us to think about what we need to do better.
- eitland 16y ago
  You passed patio11's blog post around before or after it hit HN front page? (If it was distributed inside Google before reaching HN front page, I was wrong.)

PatrickTulskie 16y ago

You bring up an interesting point. It would be nice if there was some sort of way real people could rank results. Even as an engineer, I am often frustrated by the results I get, but I have a hard time articulating what Google could do to show me what I wanted on the first page.

citricsquid 16y ago

FYI DDG just uses the bing API and then does some fancy stuff on top of it, so technically they're not a "better search engine" they're just a prettier bing.

epi0Bauqu 16y ago
FYI: no, actually we are a hybrid search eninge. We have our own crawling and indexing that is merged with about 15 external APIs.
- citricsquid 16y ago
  "hybrid search engine" is just worthless words, what does it even mean? If you want people to stop saying you're just syndicating others data publish the amount of others data you do use, but when I've compared bing.com searches with yours they're very similar whereas google is different, which would imply you're heavily taking from bing, whether or not you crawl yourself...
  - epi0Bauqu 16y ago
    So I'm required to divulge information to stop you from spreading false claims? You said "they're just a prettier bing." I have ~100K lines of code in front of me right now that has nothing to do with UI, although I think UI is tremendously important and has been a primary focus as well. Nevertheless, I've talked about all of this at length numerous times -- in videos, on HN, my blog, etc. Bottom line though is you can compare for yourself. We do certainly draw on Bing, but its importance will heavily vary per query and for many queries we'll look completely different. It really depends.
    - citricsquid 16y ago
      False claims? It's what you've said[1][2], albeit a long time ago, but because I can't find any up to date information that you've published (care to link to it?) I can't suddenly know something else. You're not required to do anything, you can tell me to piss off if you like, but if you want people to claim things and for them to be factually accurate you should publish this information, and if you have then please link to it because I'm struggling to find it. If you want people to stop spreading misinformation (intentional or mistaken) then spread the correct information, otherwise learn to accept that when you say you use the bing api but refuse to explain to what extent, people will assume your site is entirely powered by it. [1] http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/02/thoughts-on-yahoo-boss-monetization-announcement.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/02/thoughts-on-yaho... [2] http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/03/duck-duck-go-architecture.html#IDComment79453829 http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2009/03/duck-duck-go-arc...