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https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-australians-arrested-deliberately-setting-fires-season/story?id=68108272 https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-austral

https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-australians-arrested-deliberately-setting-fires-season/story?id=68108272 https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-australians-arrested... Seems like calling it bullshit is a little too all knowing for me. I’m going to go ahead with a scientific approach and not jump to conclusions. Edit: let’s not pretend this type of thing would be unheard of https://m.dw.com/en/australia-police-arrest-man-accused-of-starting-bushfires/a-51234527 https://m.dw.com/en/australia-police-arrest-man-accused-of-s... https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/11/world-wildlife-federation-paid-70000-to-activists-who-set-fire-to-amazon-forest https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/11/world-wildlife-federati...

viraptor 7y ago
The number is correct. The relevance is bullshit. Australia will have fires every year, arson or not. It needs to keep them under control either way - which is related to climate and forest management. If arson can create out of control fires, so can lightning.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  > relevance is bullshit Citation?
  - viraptor 7y ago
    I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Fires are out of control. Have you got someone proving that fire caused by lightning could be controlled easier than fire started by arson? Basically if you claim they're relevant, it's on you to find an explanation how/why. Not on everyone else to disprove every possible theory. Otherwise we're stuck in gish gallop.
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      Well clearly this is made worse by climate change! But... You keep saying that you KNOW the arson arrests are “bullshit” when taking about this. How are you making that claim? How do you know these fires are unrelated to two dozen arrests made? Please cite that.
      - viraptor 7y ago
        You can't prove a negative. If they're connected and people have proof and it's relevant, they'd present it. And again, arson-related arrests are real and I'm not disputing them. This would not even be an interesting topic if it wasn't pushed so strongly on social media with a lot of bias. (Wasn't as interesting a decade ago when it was a firefighter starting fires) So let's do a reasonable thing and drop that whole thing until someone comes up with a credible proof, not a theory abused by bots and media.
- pnako 7y ago
  I don't have any figure or analysis, but I would actually expect arson to be worse, since lightning strikes are more or less random whereas a skilled arsonist can theoretically start the fire in the right place (upwind, etc.)

viraptor 7y ago

The number is correct. The relevance is bullshit. Australia will have fires every year, arson or not. It needs to keep them under control either way - which is related to climate and forest management. If arson can create out of control fires, so can lightning.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
> relevance is bullshit Citation?
- viraptor 7y ago
  I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Fires are out of control. Have you got someone proving that fire caused by lightning could be controlled easier than fire started by arson? Basically if you claim they're relevant, it's on you to find an explanation how/why. Not on everyone else to disprove every possible theory. Otherwise we're stuck in gish gallop.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Well clearly this is made worse by climate change! But... You keep saying that you KNOW the arson arrests are “bullshit” when taking about this. How are you making that claim? How do you know these fires are unrelated to two dozen arrests made? Please cite that.
    - viraptor 7y ago
      You can't prove a negative. If they're connected and people have proof and it's relevant, they'd present it. And again, arson-related arrests are real and I'm not disputing them. This would not even be an interesting topic if it wasn't pushed so strongly on social media with a lot of bias. (Wasn't as interesting a decade ago when it was a firefighter starting fires) So let's do a reasonable thing and drop that whole thing until someone comes up with a credible proof, not a theory abused by bots and media.
pnako 7y ago
I don't have any figure or analysis, but I would actually expect arson to be worse, since lightning strikes are more or less random whereas a skilled arsonist can theoretically start the fire in the right place (upwind, etc.)