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Seriously. The website does a pretty crappy job at explaining what the product actually is.

bugsy924 7y ago
it's a dashcam with a passive driver assist system, the openpilot stuff is a separate product meant to be installed onto the "comma two" by the user
selectodude 7y ago
I think that's sort of by design. The NHTSA shut down their ability to sell in the US a few years ago. This seems to be some sort of stealth method to sell it again using the same sort of trick pharmaceutical companies use where they don't have to tell you any warnings if they don't actually tell you what the thing does. https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma-one-following-nhtsa-letter/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...
- throwawaymath 7y ago
  > Hotz tweeted from the official Comma.ai account that rather than providing the requisite response, the company would instead be cancelling Comma One entirely, and turning its attention to “other products and markets,” since Hotz says that the prospect of a life “dealing with regulators and lawyers… isn’t worth it.” ...Wow. Maybe don't develop autonomous driving tech then?
  - kick 7y ago
    Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.
    - ohazi 7y ago
      Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"? Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.
      - kick 7y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility. A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.
    - Barrin92 7y ago
      >Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?
      - kick 7y ago
        You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585
        anfractuosity 7y ago
        I thought the computer vision model wasn't open?
      - DesolationJones 7y ago
        It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.
  - matz1 7y ago
    Or maybe don't have such a stringent regulation ?
- geofft 7y ago
  As I understand it, "the NHTSA shut down" is a serious approximation of the story. They marketed aftermarket self-driving kits while not getting any regulatory approval, and when the NHTSA sent them a letter saying "So, uh, what's this thing you're selling? Can we meet?" they immediately chose to shut themselves down instead of meeting.
aeyes 7y ago
It isn't an actual consumer product, it is a development kit.

it's a dashcam with a passive driver assist system, the openpilot stuff is a separate product meant to be installed onto the "comma two" by the user

selectodude 7y ago

I think that's sort of by design. The NHTSA shut down their ability to sell in the US a few years ago. This seems to be some sort of stealth method to sell it again using the same sort of trick pharmaceutical companies use where they don't have to tell you any warnings if they don't actually tell you what the thing does. https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma-one-following-nhtsa-letter/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...

throwawaymath 7y ago
> Hotz tweeted from the official Comma.ai account that rather than providing the requisite response, the company would instead be cancelling Comma One entirely, and turning its attention to “other products and markets,” since Hotz says that the prospect of a life “dealing with regulators and lawyers… isn’t worth it.” ...Wow. Maybe don't develop autonomous driving tech then?
- kick 7y ago
  Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.
  - ohazi 7y ago
    Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"? Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.
    - kick 7y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility. A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.
  - Barrin92 7y ago
    >Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?
    - kick 7y ago
      You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585
      - anfractuosity 7y ago
        I thought the computer vision model wasn't open?
    - DesolationJones 7y ago
      It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.
- matz1 7y ago
  Or maybe don't have such a stringent regulation ?
geofft 7y ago
As I understand it, "the NHTSA shut down" is a serious approximation of the story. They marketed aftermarket self-driving kits while not getting any regulatory approval, and when the NHTSA sent them a letter saying "So, uh, what's this thing you're selling? Can we meet?" they immediately chose to shut themselves down instead of meeting.

aeyes 7y ago

It isn't an actual consumer product, it is a development kit.