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The pilots weren't aware of the issue, or how to disable MCAS.

mrtksn 7y ago
So their claims of safety were not well informed? I think the problem is that they trust a system that got corrupted or never was that robust in the first place. Seeing how this thing unfolded, I don't really believe that people making claims are in good authority to make those claims.
- netsharc 7y ago
  Well, now that it's all blown up, the pilots should know not to trust the system, and challenge it. And I would delegate my skepticism to them and trust their judgement. Because if the plane crashes, it's not just their occupation in the line, it's their lives.
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    Any information about the inspections and studies conducted by those pilots who make the claims? They probably "should" learnt a thing or two from this but did they?
  - frenchyatwork 7y ago
    > Well, now that it's all blown up, the pilots should know not to trust the system, and challenge it. That they should in no way proves that they do. Computer programmers build all sorts of foot-guns with the idea that they'll be clever enough to avoid them in the future. I expect pilots are a little more humble and self-aware than that, but they're still human.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    I'm not comfortable with the situation because Boeing proved they had the ability and motivation to corrupt the system of approval and training - there has been very little response from pilots, airlines and the government addressing their actions and while this time it ended poorly there is nothing calling out the corner cutting and affixing a price to it that'll discourage similar corner cutting in the future. If I've got a wicked sharp pairing knife and I cut my finger while peeling something with it then I'll be more careful, but chances are that as the pain fades I'll relax - maybe I'll always be careful with that particular knife but when I get a new pairing knife the memory will be detached. Boeing needs more than the vague memory of bad PR and low profits for a quarter or two to learn this was unacceptable - and the American legal system is unable to apply a lesson, while the general business culture refuses to learn the lesson.
Already__Taken 7y ago
You see the circular logic going on in that statement surely. Who was suppose to make the pilots aware?

So their claims of safety were not well informed? I think the problem is that they trust a system that got corrupted or never was that robust in the first place. Seeing how this thing unfolded, I don't really believe that people making claims are in good authority to make those claims.

netsharc 7y ago
Well, now that it's all blown up, the pilots should know not to trust the system, and challenge it. And I would delegate my skepticism to them and trust their judgement. Because if the plane crashes, it's not just their occupation in the line, it's their lives.
- mrtksn 7y ago
  Any information about the inspections and studies conducted by those pilots who make the claims? They probably "should" learnt a thing or two from this but did they?
- frenchyatwork 7y ago
  > Well, now that it's all blown up, the pilots should know not to trust the system, and challenge it. That they should in no way proves that they do. Computer programmers build all sorts of foot-guns with the idea that they'll be clever enough to avoid them in the future. I expect pilots are a little more humble and self-aware than that, but they're still human.
- munk-a 7y ago
  I'm not comfortable with the situation because Boeing proved they had the ability and motivation to corrupt the system of approval and training - there has been very little response from pilots, airlines and the government addressing their actions and while this time it ended poorly there is nothing calling out the corner cutting and affixing a price to it that'll discourage similar corner cutting in the future. If I've got a wicked sharp pairing knife and I cut my finger while peeling something with it then I'll be more careful, but chances are that as the pain fades I'll relax - maybe I'll always be careful with that particular knife but when I get a new pairing knife the memory will be detached. Boeing needs more than the vague memory of bad PR and low profits for a quarter or two to learn this was unacceptable - and the American legal system is unable to apply a lesson, while the general business culture refuses to learn the lesson.

Already__Taken 7y ago

You see the circular logic going on in that statement surely. Who was suppose to make the pilots aware?