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So what's new about this? It's been in the market for a while at around $20k per tile iirc. On the other side doesn't Sony, Barco, Christie and a few other sig

by PolCPP 7y ago

So what's new about this? It's been in the market for a while at around $20k per tile iirc. On the other side doesn't Sony, Barco, Christie and a few other signage companies have something similar to it?

hinkley 7y ago
Brand new TVs have a tiny bezel on three or sometimes four sides, but it's still a bezel. I dunno about Sony, but the Sharp and Philips models I could find had thin bezels too. When you tile displays, you have two bezels touching, so the black line is at least twice as wide. Zero bezel on 4 sides also seems to be noteworthy, because it removes some ways in which one could 'cheat'. For example the new iPhone. From what I understand the bezel on the sides and top could be zero instead of just really really narrow, but the bottom edge has the display electronics attached. To keep from having a big bezel at the bottom of the phone they folded the screen over, so the electronics sit behind the display instead of below. I'm not sure that allows true edge-to-edge display, so Samsung would have had to do some other trick instead of feeding signal in from the edges. A wall display that can be tiled on three edges still allows for quite a big bigger displays (especially in situations where long linear ones are good, like balconies or the barriers in MLS fields), but not quite like this one.
- PolCPP 7y ago
  But the wall is not designed to be a TV but for digital signage. Even that page is inside their business side. I'm not sure while they keep trying to market to consumers. With those prices clearly it doesn't even make sense. IIRC Sony has Crystal led (which is just a brand for their micro led), and other companies have a sub 1mm pitch led walls which should be pretty similar. For a more "classical" solution there are LCD's with hairline bezels like Barco Unisee's, but again even those are far from consumer prices.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    I know of a few people who have purchased "The Wall" for home installations. Never underestimate oil money.
- metaphor 7y ago
  I don't follow your logic. What makes you think Samsung is applying consumer-grade smartphone design/cost-optimization hardware hacks to modules targeting a completely different market segment, let alone form factor?
  - hinkley 7y ago
    I’m saying those won’t work for their design. But that hack exists on what many would deem a luxury good.
rapjr9 7y ago
There doesn't seem to be much new, modular LED video walls are already available and used in the music and show industry: https://www.idjnow.com/adj-av6-6mm-led-video-wall-3x2-complete-system-package.html?PageSpeed=noscript https://www.idjnow.com/adj-av6-6mm-led-video-wall-3x2-comple... They're made to be quickly set up and torn down, hanging from cables or lighting supports. Perhaps this version by Samsung is easier to configure in odd shapes? I've seen a music show (Jon Anderson) where he had multiple vertical panels with large gaps in-between (several feet) and the panels all showed parts of the same video as though it was one display, with gaps in the image where the physical gaps were. So there is some configurability in existing modular LED walls too. If you search on eBay you'll find the panels listed by the pixel spacing, P2, P3, P4, P6 where the number is the number of millimeters spacing. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC0.A0.H0.Xvideo+wall+panel.TRS0&_nkw=video+wall+panel&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=video+wall https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m... You can buy a 10ft x 5ft, P3, 18 panel system for around $10,000 complete except for the laptop to run it. Various show control software has the ability to map video or graphics to pixels on the panels (VDMX, GrandVJ, MadMapper, QLab, etc.)
- janekm 7y ago
  This one is 0.8mm pixel pitch (e.g. P0.8 I suppose), and they claim lower reflectance of the black background (i.e. higher daylight dynamic range) and bigger colour range.
robdachshund 7y ago
It's a demo of their new display tech. It's like OLED but does not degrade.
X0Refraction 7y ago
My understanding is MicroLED offers the best of both worlds of OLED and LCD. Each pixel can be turned off entirely like OLED (so perfect blacks) and since there are three individual LEDs per pixel (RGB) you don't need any filters to get the desired colour so the brightness is much better than OLED.

by PolCPP 7y ago

hinkley 7y ago

Brand new TVs have a tiny bezel on three or sometimes four sides, but it's still a bezel. I dunno about Sony, but the Sharp and Philips models I could find had thin bezels too. When you tile displays, you have two bezels touching, so the black line is at least twice as wide. Zero bezel on 4 sides also seems to be noteworthy, because it removes some ways in which one could 'cheat'. For example the new iPhone. From what I understand the bezel on the sides and top could be zero instead of just really really narrow, but the bottom edge has the display electronics attached. To keep from having a big bezel at the bottom of the phone they folded the screen over, so the electronics sit behind the display instead of below. I'm not sure that allows true edge-to-edge display, so Samsung would have had to do some other trick instead of feeding signal in from the edges. A wall display that can be tiled on three edges still allows for quite a big bigger displays (especially in situations where long linear ones are good, like balconies or the barriers in MLS fields), but not quite like this one.

PolCPP 7y ago
But the wall is not designed to be a TV but for digital signage. Even that page is inside their business side. I'm not sure while they keep trying to market to consumers. With those prices clearly it doesn't even make sense. IIRC Sony has Crystal led (which is just a brand for their micro led), and other companies have a sub 1mm pitch led walls which should be pretty similar. For a more "classical" solution there are LCD's with hairline bezels like Barco Unisee's, but again even those are far from consumer prices.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  I know of a few people who have purchased "The Wall" for home installations. Never underestimate oil money.
metaphor 7y ago
I don't follow your logic. What makes you think Samsung is applying consumer-grade smartphone design/cost-optimization hardware hacks to modules targeting a completely different market segment, let alone form factor?
- hinkley 7y ago
  I’m saying those won’t work for their design. But that hack exists on what many would deem a luxury good.

rapjr9 7y ago

There doesn't seem to be much new, modular LED video walls are already available and used in the music and show industry: https://www.idjnow.com/adj-av6-6mm-led-video-wall-3x2-complete-system-package.html?PageSpeed=noscript https://www.idjnow.com/adj-av6-6mm-led-video-wall-3x2-comple... They're made to be quickly set up and torn down, hanging from cables or lighting supports. Perhaps this version by Samsung is easier to configure in odd shapes? I've seen a music show (Jon Anderson) where he had multiple vertical panels with large gaps in-between (several feet) and the panels all showed parts of the same video as though it was one display, with gaps in the image where the physical gaps were. So there is some configurability in existing modular LED walls too. If you search on eBay you'll find the panels listed by the pixel spacing, P2, P3, P4, P6 where the number is the number of millimeters spacing. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC0.A0.H0.Xvideo+wall+panel.TRS0&_nkw=video+wall+panel&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=video+wall https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m... You can buy a 10ft x 5ft, P3, 18 panel system for around $10,000 complete except for the laptop to run it. Various show control software has the ability to map video or graphics to pixels on the panels (VDMX, GrandVJ, MadMapper, QLab, etc.)

janekm 7y ago
This one is 0.8mm pixel pitch (e.g. P0.8 I suppose), and they claim lower reflectance of the black background (i.e. higher daylight dynamic range) and bigger colour range.

robdachshund 7y ago

It's a demo of their new display tech. It's like OLED but does not degrade.

X0Refraction 7y ago

My understanding is MicroLED offers the best of both worlds of OLED and LCD. Each pixel can be turned off entirely like OLED (so perfect blacks) and since there are three individual LEDs per pixel (RGB) you don't need any filters to get the desired colour so the brightness is much better than OLED.