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I sometimes like to go down the rabbit hole of Atlantis and related conspiracies. I recall a time in my life those ideas seemed so laughable that they were comp
by reggieband 7y ago
I sometimes like to go down the rabbit hole of Atlantis and related conspiracies. I recall a time in my life those ideas seemed so laughable that they were completely pointless. I blame Joe Rogan and his podcasts with Graham Hancock for forcing me to consider ideas of ancient civilizations seriously. Not that I consider Graham Hancock's specific ideas to be serious. But it did force me to challenge my own preconceptions of what is possible.
I do recall, on hacker news I believe, an article posted based on a study by NASA scientists that tried to calculate the likelihood of finding evidence for civilizations 10 thousand years, 100 thousand years or older. What is shocking is how quickly any remnants of an advanced civilization could deteriorate. IIRC, the conclusion of the study was that the chance of us finding any evidence of civilizations that old were extremely small.
The idea that there was an ancient civilization over 10 thousand years ago is entirely plausible to me. Massive geological events (or even astrological ones like asteroid impacts) could have altered entire continents. Who knows what evidence is at the bottom of the Pacific ocean that we cannot access. Or what evidence has been forced under tectonic plates through subduction.
Of course, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and so far none of the presented evidence is extraordinary (IMO). But our fixed notion that civilization sprang up nearly fully formed 10 thousand years ago doesn't seem as clear to me as it once did.
- WalterBright 7y agoZero evidence of things like refined metals or synthetic materials in the geologic record makes the odds of an advanced ancient civilization seem highly improbable.
- reggieband 7y agoYes, I've heard of refined glass as being one of the indicators. However, pretty advanced technologies like pottery would not have made it. I can't be sure this [1] is the original article I was remembering but it might be an interesting read anyways. I am sure the study authors approach the subject with far greater care than I could. 1. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-an-industrial-prehuman-civilization-have-existed-on-earth-before-ours/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-an-industri...
- WalterBright 7y agoI don't agree that pottery is "pretty advanced". It's just fire applied to clay. Concrete, on the other hand, is advanced. The novel "The Hab Theory" is a good story about the discovery of prehistoric civilizations.
- FisDugthop 7y agoThe Sea Peoples were real, and so was the Bronze Age collapse. There's no need to speculate about Atlantis when we know that there was a very real epidemic of Mediterranean civilizations collapsing due to pressure from invaders.