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What infuriates me about the GP post is: unionizing is literally one of the options they have. It's enshrined in law, has a long history, has been implemented
by Frondo 7y ago
What infuriates me about the GP post is:
unionizing is literally one of the options they have.
It's enshrined in law, has a long history, has been implemented to great benefit to scores of people worldwide -- why shouldn't that option be on the table as well for these workers?
And, frankly speaking, "go find another job" is a terrible rejoinder, if they like their job, but don't like their working conditions, let them come together in a group to change their working conditions. It's their legal right to do so, as well as a human right.
- unapologetic 7y agoUnpopular opinion: Large segments of the american population don't even real realize they have foolishly internalized decades of anti-union propaganda. They just think they are smarter/better/more rational. I disagree. I think you have just eaten up the propaganda pushed by billionaires. There is an entire industry that is dedicated to pushing anti-union propaganda.
- friendlybus 7y agoThe union bosses do it to themselves: Misuse of union funds and a union boss passing over union workers for private workers because they cost less for the job. Utopian unions don't happen. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/11/01/uaw-uses-non-union-labor-construction-home-resort-spot/1811055002/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/20...
- Frondo 7y agoThere are corrupt unions everywhere, but the only thing more corrupt than unions is management.
- claudeganon 7y agoYup, and every person on welfare eats caviar and drives a Cadillac. The fact that this is your go to story on unions vs. the millions of well-protected and empowered workers across the world is just more evidence of how internalized this propaganda is in the US.
- friendlybus 7y agoI googled it in 30 seconds. There are more too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Trade_Union_Governance_and_Corruption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Trade_Un... https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2tsg3e/eli5_prounion_vs_antiunion_arguments/ https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2tsg3e/e... Discrediting single instances of bad union behaviour is an endless game, there's a lot of history to draw from.
- Apocryphon 7y agoAnd there are endless instances of bad corporate behavior. So we are at an impasse.
- hinkley 7y agoNot when the orders of magnitude are different.
- Apocryphon 7y agoIs there a study comparing corruption rates?
- claudeganon 7y agoThis is just a logic error masquerading as an argument. Discrediting single instances of x’s behavior is an endless game, therefore all instances of x are bad. You haven’t provided anything inherent to unions to discredit them that wouldn’t be true of any other form of social organization, from governments to corporations. There’s more history of unions winning protections, better wages, and improved quality of life for workers across the world than there are evidence of their corruption. It’s why millions upon millions of workers, have created, joined, and maintained them throughout the history of Capitalism. But feel free to try and convince everyone why, for example, the vast majority of trade and industrial workers in developed countries or everyone in the NBA are all just wrong and confused.