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> We live at the absolute _extreme_ of capital power over labor power. No we don't, that is called slavery.

by username90 7y ago

tomtheelder 7y ago
Okay yes that's true. Within the bounds of modern capitalism we are at an extreme place.
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chobeat 7y ago
The definition of slavery changed over time. Be sure that salaried worker in a few centuries will be considered a mild form of slavery similar to indentured servitude, debt bondage or coloni's restriction of freedom under the Roman Empire. "Were they forced to work? Yes and no. What happened if they decided not to work? Weeeeell... if they were rich, nothing. If they were poor, they would have died."
- RHSeeger 7y ago
  > Were they forced to work? Yes and no. What happened if they decided not to work? Weeeeell... if they were rich, nothing. If they were poor, they would have died Hasn't that always been true of society, across all government models (or lack thereof)? At best, you don't have the rich that don't need to work... but what are the situations where the vast majority don't need to work (as far back as hunting/gathering).
unapologetic 7y ago
We still have actual slavery and wage slavery isn't much better.
- unapologetic 7y ago
  Which part of this is wrongthink to the HN overlords?
  - dang 7y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.
    - unapologetic 7y ago
      Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express. I was downvoted, why? You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.
      - unapologetic 7y ago
        oh look, downvoted again. The downvoting system on this site is a really broken by design sort of feature. It's entirely just a manner to ensure the groupthink stays on track.
      - dang 7y ago
        Factual accuracy isn't enough to make a comment substantive, and the point about "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here, not throwaway lines. I've posted thousands of comments explaining HN moderation—probably tens of thousands, in fact—so I'll have to differ with you on it lacking "any sort of transparency". What would you like to know?
        unapologetic 7y ago
        > What would you like to know? What are the actual rules? You are the most arbitrary and least transparent mod I've ever dealt with. You wield the word "unsubstantive" as a cudgel. You seemingly only hold the goal of stifling discussion that might be against the accepted HN positions. The result is board that yes, does mostly lack flame wars. It's also bland and processed and almost impossible to contribute to, and I lay the blame on that squarely on you. The very poor downvote system does not help. Restricting downvotes to high karma users just lets a handful of people dominate discussion. > "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché 7 million+ working poor. Millions more one unexpected expense away from financial ruin. "empty cliche". Also could explain to me why this > > We live at the absolute _extreme_ of capital power over labor power. is fine. This response > No we don't, that is called slavery. is fine. But my post reaches the bar of unsubstantive flamebait.

> We live at the absolute _extreme_ of capital power over labor power. No we don't, that is called slavery.

tomtheelder 7y ago

Okay yes that's true. Within the bounds of modern capitalism we are at an extreme place.

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chobeat 7y ago

The definition of slavery changed over time. Be sure that salaried worker in a few centuries will be considered a mild form of slavery similar to indentured servitude, debt bondage or coloni's restriction of freedom under the Roman Empire. "Were they forced to work? Yes and no. What happened if they decided not to work? Weeeeell... if they were rich, nothing. If they were poor, they would have died."

RHSeeger 7y ago
> Were they forced to work? Yes and no. What happened if they decided not to work? Weeeeell... if they were rich, nothing. If they were poor, they would have died Hasn't that always been true of society, across all government models (or lack thereof)? At best, you don't have the rich that don't need to work... but what are the situations where the vast majority don't need to work (as far back as hunting/gathering).

unapologetic 7y ago

We still have actual slavery and wage slavery isn't much better.

unapologetic 7y ago
Which part of this is wrongthink to the HN overlords?
- dang 7y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? We're trying for a bit higher quality level than internet median. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit more to heart, we'd really appreciate it.
  - unapologetic 7y ago
    Please explain the problem with my comment on slavery. The first part is factually accurate, the second is a valid opinion to express. I was downvoted, why? You know what whatever. I know better than to ask HN moderation for any sort of transparency or any dedication to actually fostering discussion vs just reinforcing the particularly awful groupthink that dominates this place.
    - unapologetic 7y ago
      oh look, downvoted again. The downvoting system on this site is a really broken by design sort of feature. It's entirely just a manner to ensure the groupthink stays on track.
    - dang 7y ago
      Factual accuracy isn't enough to make a comment substantive, and the point about "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché. We're looking for thoughtful discussion here, not throwaway lines. I've posted thousands of comments explaining HN moderation—probably tens of thousands, in fact—so I'll have to differ with you on it lacking "any sort of transparency". What would you like to know?
      - unapologetic 7y ago
        > What would you like to know? What are the actual rules? You are the most arbitrary and least transparent mod I've ever dealt with. You wield the word "unsubstantive" as a cudgel. You seemingly only hold the goal of stifling discussion that might be against the accepted HN positions. The result is board that yes, does mostly lack flame wars. It's also bland and processed and almost impossible to contribute to, and I lay the blame on that squarely on you. The very poor downvote system does not help. Restricting downvotes to high karma users just lets a handful of people dominate discussion. > "wage slavery not being much better" is an empty cliché 7 million+ working poor. Millions more one unexpected expense away from financial ruin. "empty cliche". Also could explain to me why this > > We live at the absolute _extreme_ of capital power over labor power. is fine. This response > No we don't, that is called slavery. is fine. But my post reaches the bar of unsubstantive flamebait.