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Exactly, there was a dude in the 18th century that came up with distributing power into three monoliths (writing code, executing code and catching exceptions[0]

Exactly, there was a dude in the 18th century that came up with distributing power into three monoliths (writing code, executing code and catching exceptions[0]) and at a similar time the bones of the modern education and corporate system was created[1]. Since then we've been refining these structures without really changing the underlying assumptions. Blabla.. The way I see forward is to build a social network that is local first (kind of like these ideas with having a "revolution of the personal server" a la urbit). We need to realize that "voting" and "money" and "shares" or "securities" etc. are all the same thing. Compositional game theory and interesting models of MPC like statebox are steps on the road towards solving "fake news" and other trust-topology based problems but I think even if we don't solve these things theoretically we can still get closer to the ideal by just relying on some heuristics (like maidsafe and parity are doing). Anyway the key idea is: if we can create a "democratic" form of governance - for corporations (or startups) - that outcompetes traditional forms of organizing such organizations then that form of organization will take over everything. The key idea for this to happen is for the organizational scheme to be compositional so that organizations can be assembled ad-hoc to compete with a google or an amazon, then we'll have something more flexible and that thing will win in the long run. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Typical_branches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Typical_b... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussian_Army_of_the_Napoleonic_Wars#Organisation_of_the_Royal_Prussian_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussian_Army_of_the_Nap...

K0SM0S 7y ago
I've reached pretty much the same conclusions, but you do make novel points that I think make tremendous sense. > We need to realize that "voting" and "money" and "shares" or "securities" etc. are all the same thing This blew my mind said like that. I can now see how this is all but 'materialistic vectors' in a 'phase space' taking us from now to "change" (however small/big). Conceptually you may reduce it to a particular instanciation of information theory, sort of a "memetic" signal (a "meme" is a "cultural gene" in anthropology, unrelated to the internet-thingy) that spreads onto and influences civilization(s), big groups of individual vectors. It's an interesting model, "tensors" of civilization so to speak, which we are increasingly able to estimate with actual data — whether numbers for votes and money, shares; whether principles or sentiment reduced to political/investment choices; I mean there's a way to model that thing, framed like that. Great food for thought, thank you so much. About a "social network that is local first": I think eventually we need to get together with like-minded people (from all fields) and design something, a spec. Solutions are aplently, what lacks is imho some common standards to iterate deeper, more focus. About a "democratic" form of governance: that's next step, I see the network as a pre-requisite of sorts (not necessarily in theory, but in practice very much so, to "warm up minds" to the paradigm shift in coherent ways, to "teach" by example). However I'd caution against forcing a type of "regime" so to speak in the protocol, the spec itself: let some be dictatorial or in anarchy if they so wish, let all forms of governance emerge from first-principle-inspired bricks. (I guess this would speak to the "expressivity" of the spec, the topologies allowed/defined by it). Fascinating topics which have occupied my mind for decades now (only 37 though...), that I think will define civilization throughout this century and beyond. It's our time to innovate politically in ways that go back 250 years, and in a deeper slower move some 2500 years. Grand cycles, eh!

K0SM0S 7y ago

I've reached pretty much the same conclusions, but you do make novel points that I think make tremendous sense. > We need to realize that "voting" and "money" and "shares" or "securities" etc. are all the same thing This blew my mind said like that. I can now see how this is all but 'materialistic vectors' in a 'phase space' taking us from now to "change" (however small/big). Conceptually you may reduce it to a particular instanciation of information theory, sort of a "memetic" signal (a "meme" is a "cultural gene" in anthropology, unrelated to the internet-thingy) that spreads onto and influences civilization(s), big groups of individual vectors. It's an interesting model, "tensors" of civilization so to speak, which we are increasingly able to estimate with actual data — whether numbers for votes and money, shares; whether principles or sentiment reduced to political/investment choices; I mean there's a way to model that thing, framed like that. Great food for thought, thank you so much. About a "social network that is local first": I think eventually we need to get together with like-minded people (from all fields) and design something, a spec. Solutions are aplently, what lacks is imho some common standards to iterate deeper, more focus. About a "democratic" form of governance: that's next step, I see the network as a pre-requisite of sorts (not necessarily in theory, but in practice very much so, to "warm up minds" to the paradigm shift in coherent ways, to "teach" by example). However I'd caution against forcing a type of "regime" so to speak in the protocol, the spec itself: let some be dictatorial or in anarchy if they so wish, let all forms of governance emerge from first-principle-inspired bricks. (I guess this would speak to the "expressivity" of the spec, the topologies allowed/defined by it). Fascinating topics which have occupied my mind for decades now (only 37 though...), that I think will define civilization throughout this century and beyond. It's our time to innovate politically in ways that go back 250 years, and in a deeper slower move some 2500 years. Grand cycles, eh!