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Stop with the strawman. A dryer, hotter climate will cause fires to get larger and do more damage. No one says that a hotter climate will cause the initial burn
by flaque 7y ago
Stop with the strawman. A dryer, hotter climate will cause fires to get larger and do more damage. No one says that a hotter climate will cause the initial burn spontaneously.
- deith 7y agoThat's what it sounds like sometimes. "Fires caused by climate change".
- flaque 7y agoIt's because no one wants to have these philosophical arguments about whether making an issue significantly "worse" constitutes causation. Regardless of the side you fall on, making something significantly worse is still a problem to be solved.
- mikece 7y agoYou haven't heard all of the news coverage which constantly cite the global climate crisis as a direct contributing factor? It's right in the linked article above: Quote: There has been much debate about the links between climate change and the fires. Australian National University climate scientist Imran Ahmed told the BBC there was a direct link "because what climate change does is exacerbate the conditions in which the bushfires happen."
- ceejayoz 7y agoClimate contributing to the ease of ignition and overall severity of the fires and climate making people into arsonists are two wildly different claims.
- mikece 7y agoYou are saying "contributing" while the reporting, which I copied verbatim, specifies the relationship as direct. Lots more where that comes from.
- dahinds 7y agoum did you not say "direct contributing factor" in your own words? The quote you provide doesn't seem to claim climate change is a sole cause, it says it will "exacerbate the conditions".
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- htfu 7y agoGiven the initial spark is usually lightning, which will have a higher chance of causing an out of control fire in dried out conditions, and which is certainly "spontaneous" in my view (as in, nothing we can do about it apart from monitoring), why not? I'd say it qualifies.
- flaque 7y agoThat’s my point; the OP’s argument that it’s an “either or” between arson or climate change is a strawman. Dried out conditions make initial triggers (like lightning or arson) more likely to have disastrous consequences.
- htfu 7y agoRight. I'm saying that I AM saying a hotter climate will cause the initial burn spontaneously. By my definition of spontaneously, being "without human input". What I mean is you're being needlessly defensive. The strawman completely fails even on its own terms.