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Nice! Really reminds me of the Unknown Pleasures album by Joy Division. Edit: Just noticed it's called a "joy plot" in the repo.

by jcfrei 7y ago

madcaptenor 7y ago
The R community started out calling these "joy plots" (after the Joy Division album) but then people found out about the association of "joy division" with the Holocaust (https://serialmentor.com/blog/2017/9/15/goodbye-joyplots https://serialmentor.com/blog/2017/9/15/goodbye-joyplots) and so now they're called ridgeline plots.
- anvaka 7y ago
  Bummer! I didn't know that association.
- crazygringo 7y ago
  Ugh. That really is something you can't forget after learning about it. I never knew the name of the band was that dark. For a dark band, there's a certain logic, but yeah... will definitely be using 'ridgeline' from now on. Thanks for the info. Genuinely appreciated.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Oh dear, that's also bad news for joysticks and the red "Joy Button" on the Thinkpad keyboard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757484 (But then again, since when did IBM ever shy away from selling their products to Nazis?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
  - crazygringo 7y ago
    No it's not. "Joy" isn't a bad word. Joysticks seem to be fine. It's specifically that the band "Joy Division" was named intentionally after a regrettable piece of history, and "joy plots" are named because of a Joy Division album cover. Words aren't bad -- it's the meaning and derivation behind them. Etymology matters.
    - DonHopkins 7y ago
      Do you think the Mac OS System 7.1 user interface designers at Apple should have called that grinning penis-like thing with a rash on the tip the "Control Strip"? It's just such a bad name, on so many levels. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870821 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Strip >The Control Strip is a user interface component introduced in the "classic" System 7 Macintosh operating system. It currently exists as part of the Touch Bar interface in macOS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_German_border#Control_strips https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_Ge... >In the West, the control strip became known as the "death strip" (Todesstreifen) because of the shoot-to-kill orders given to the border guards. The East Germans preferred to call it by the more euphemistic name of the "action strip" (Handlungsstreifen). It was also nicknamed the Pieck-Allee ("Pieck Avenue") after East Germany's president Wilhelm Pieck (1949–60).
      - crazygringo 7y ago
        Show evidence that the Mac OS control strip was named after German war fortifications. Instead of it clearly just being a literal strip of controls. Clearly you're not going to find any. This is my point. Etymology and history matters. Also, gratuitous genital analogies don't help to make anyone's case here.
        DonHopkins 7y ago
        Show your evidence that "Joy Plots" were named after the Freudenabteilung. Yet you support the R community changing the name. Clearly you're not going to find any evidence that the R community named the plots after the Freudenabteilung. Instead of it clearly just being an innocent literal reference to the name of the band who produced a famous album cover that inspired the plots. If your point is that etymology and history matter, then why are you saying that it matters for the R community, but not Apple? By your inconsistent logic, it's not OK to criticize Apple for naming the Control Strip even through they may not have realized the historical meaning of Kontrollstreifen at the time, but it's OK to criticize the R community for naming Joy Plots after the name of a band instead of Freudenabteilung. Why the Widerspruch und Doppelmoral? Your own words contradict your point: 'This isn't about "cancelling". It's about something being in bad taste in the first place, even if the originator hadn't been aware of it.' Yet now you're saying that because Apple was not aware of the dark meaning of "Control Strip", it's wrong to criticize that name. Pick a lane, and stick with it. My point is that IBM declined to name the input device that Ted Selker invented the "Joy Button", even though that's what he originally wanted to call it (if not the "Keyboard Clitoris" or "Control Knob"), so they named it the "Trackpoint" instead. And that was most likely to avoid any sexual connotations, not about Nazi allusions. Yet IBM has an unabashed well documented history of marketing and selling computing machinery to Nazi Germany that facilitated the Holocaust, which substantially enabled them to identify, round up, and murder many Jews and other persecuted minorities (not to mention their contracts with the US Government to help round up Japanese people into internment camps). So by IBM management's logic, Nazi are fine upstanding customers, but sexual references in product names are a no-no. Please be a Joy Button, not a Control Knob!
- homonculus1 7y ago
  That's really, really stupid. I wish the endless quest for moral purification of language would just die already but it's only getting worse. Prudes used to get upset over words for their meanings, then because the wrongs kinds of people used them. Now the etymology can be mined for cancellation reasons even if present usage is conceptually removed twice over. I wonder how the author copes with the ones that derive from slavery and brutal execution methods. It's exhausting catering to these people who fixate on dredging up and removing any hint of bitterness from words. We need to start treating picky speakers like picky eaters instead of continually acquiescing to the tyranny of the minority. No more fucking chicken nuggets, we are adults here.
  - crazygringo 7y ago
    You're wrong a million times over. The term "joy plot" was coined in 2017, just three years ago. It's not some ancient term. This isn't about "cancelling". It's about something being in bad taste in the first place, even if the originator hadn't been aware of it. It's kind of like how we don't use the racist term for Brazil nuts anymore. [1] Follow the link for the phrase, I'm not going to write it here. Surely you don't think you should be using that in everyday conversation, do you? How about you show a little empathy, and realize that some terms are just gross to use? And that there's no reason to use one that brings up offensive associations, when we can use another that doesn't? It's just about being a decent human being and taking other people's feelings into account. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut
    - homonculus1 7y ago
      You're drawing a moral equivalence between an album cover reference and a racial slur. That's insane. I reject your entire angle. "Joyplot" harms literally nobody. There are no victims of joyplots. There aren't even victims of Joy Division. It's a reference to an image associated with a band which was grimly ironically named in reference to a historical atrocity. The connection is so tenuous that you can't get your feelings hurt by it unless you're actively trying. It's so obscure that nobody even noticed it until some asshole wanted to make waves, obviously it was entirely about cancelling the word because it wasn't even an issue until then. So who am I supposed to show empathy for? Descendants of Holocaust victims who are into data visualization but evidently feel too threatened by the community to speak up for themselves? Get a grip. There is nobody hurt by this. There is nobody to have empathy for. You're just abusing "empathy" to insinuate I'm not even a decent human being if I don't go along with your personal taste. That's not empathy, that's bullying. I don't feel sorry for you over a piece of trivia.
DonHopkins 7y ago
Very well done! I like how it can exaggerate the height arbitrarily enough to make it really stand out. It would be cool to make the lines rotate and translate and scan around over the map like Max Headroom's background! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU I wonder how you could go about implementing it as a high performance shader?

Nice! Really reminds me of the Unknown Pleasures album by Joy Division. Edit: Just noticed it's called a "joy plot" in the repo.

by jcfrei 7y ago

Nice! Really reminds me of the Unknown Pleasures album by Joy Division. Edit: Just noticed it's called a "joy plot" in the repo.

madcaptenor 7y ago

The R community started out calling these "joy plots" (after the Joy Division album) but then people found out about the association of "joy division" with the Holocaust (https://serialmentor.com/blog/2017/9/15/goodbye-joyplots https://serialmentor.com/blog/2017/9/15/goodbye-joyplots) and so now they're called ridgeline plots.

anvaka 7y ago
Bummer! I didn't know that association.
crazygringo 7y ago
Ugh. That really is something you can't forget after learning about it. I never knew the name of the band was that dark. For a dark band, there's a certain logic, but yeah... will definitely be using 'ridgeline' from now on. Thanks for the info. Genuinely appreciated.
DonHopkins 7y ago
Oh dear, that's also bad news for joysticks and the red "Joy Button" on the Thinkpad keyboard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757484 (But then again, since when did IBM ever shy away from selling their products to Nazis?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
- crazygringo 7y ago
  No it's not. "Joy" isn't a bad word. Joysticks seem to be fine. It's specifically that the band "Joy Division" was named intentionally after a regrettable piece of history, and "joy plots" are named because of a Joy Division album cover. Words aren't bad -- it's the meaning and derivation behind them. Etymology matters.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    Do you think the Mac OS System 7.1 user interface designers at Apple should have called that grinning penis-like thing with a rash on the tip the "Control Strip"? It's just such a bad name, on so many levels. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870821 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Strip >The Control Strip is a user interface component introduced in the "classic" System 7 Macintosh operating system. It currently exists as part of the Touch Bar interface in macOS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_German_border#Control_strips https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_Ge... >In the West, the control strip became known as the "death strip" (Todesstreifen) because of the shoot-to-kill orders given to the border guards. The East Germans preferred to call it by the more euphemistic name of the "action strip" (Handlungsstreifen). It was also nicknamed the Pieck-Allee ("Pieck Avenue") after East Germany's president Wilhelm Pieck (1949–60).
    - crazygringo 7y ago
      Show evidence that the Mac OS control strip was named after German war fortifications. Instead of it clearly just being a literal strip of controls. Clearly you're not going to find any. This is my point. Etymology and history matters. Also, gratuitous genital analogies don't help to make anyone's case here.
      - DonHopkins 7y ago
        Show your evidence that "Joy Plots" were named after the Freudenabteilung. Yet you support the R community changing the name. Clearly you're not going to find any evidence that the R community named the plots after the Freudenabteilung. Instead of it clearly just being an innocent literal reference to the name of the band who produced a famous album cover that inspired the plots. If your point is that etymology and history matter, then why are you saying that it matters for the R community, but not Apple? By your inconsistent logic, it's not OK to criticize Apple for naming the Control Strip even through they may not have realized the historical meaning of Kontrollstreifen at the time, but it's OK to criticize the R community for naming Joy Plots after the name of a band instead of Freudenabteilung. Why the Widerspruch und Doppelmoral? Your own words contradict your point: 'This isn't about "cancelling". It's about something being in bad taste in the first place, even if the originator hadn't been aware of it.' Yet now you're saying that because Apple was not aware of the dark meaning of "Control Strip", it's wrong to criticize that name. Pick a lane, and stick with it. My point is that IBM declined to name the input device that Ted Selker invented the "Joy Button", even though that's what he originally wanted to call it (if not the "Keyboard Clitoris" or "Control Knob"), so they named it the "Trackpoint" instead. And that was most likely to avoid any sexual connotations, not about Nazi allusions. Yet IBM has an unabashed well documented history of marketing and selling computing machinery to Nazi Germany that facilitated the Holocaust, which substantially enabled them to identify, round up, and murder many Jews and other persecuted minorities (not to mention their contracts with the US Government to help round up Japanese people into internment camps). So by IBM management's logic, Nazi are fine upstanding customers, but sexual references in product names are a no-no. Please be a Joy Button, not a Control Knob!
homonculus1 7y ago
That's really, really stupid. I wish the endless quest for moral purification of language would just die already but it's only getting worse. Prudes used to get upset over words for their meanings, then because the wrongs kinds of people used them. Now the etymology can be mined for cancellation reasons even if present usage is conceptually removed twice over. I wonder how the author copes with the ones that derive from slavery and brutal execution methods. It's exhausting catering to these people who fixate on dredging up and removing any hint of bitterness from words. We need to start treating picky speakers like picky eaters instead of continually acquiescing to the tyranny of the minority. No more fucking chicken nuggets, we are adults here.
- crazygringo 7y ago
  You're wrong a million times over. The term "joy plot" was coined in 2017, just three years ago. It's not some ancient term. This isn't about "cancelling". It's about something being in bad taste in the first place, even if the originator hadn't been aware of it. It's kind of like how we don't use the racist term for Brazil nuts anymore. [1] Follow the link for the phrase, I'm not going to write it here. Surely you don't think you should be using that in everyday conversation, do you? How about you show a little empathy, and realize that some terms are just gross to use? And that there's no reason to use one that brings up offensive associations, when we can use another that doesn't? It's just about being a decent human being and taking other people's feelings into account. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    You're drawing a moral equivalence between an album cover reference and a racial slur. That's insane. I reject your entire angle. "Joyplot" harms literally nobody. There are no victims of joyplots. There aren't even victims of Joy Division. It's a reference to an image associated with a band which was grimly ironically named in reference to a historical atrocity. The connection is so tenuous that you can't get your feelings hurt by it unless you're actively trying. It's so obscure that nobody even noticed it until some asshole wanted to make waves, obviously it was entirely about cancelling the word because it wasn't even an issue until then. So who am I supposed to show empathy for? Descendants of Holocaust victims who are into data visualization but evidently feel too threatened by the community to speak up for themselves? Get a grip. There is nobody hurt by this. There is nobody to have empathy for. You're just abusing "empathy" to insinuate I'm not even a decent human being if I don't go along with your personal taste. That's not empathy, that's bullying. I don't feel sorry for you over a piece of trivia.

DonHopkins 7y ago

Very well done! I like how it can exaggerate the height arbitrarily enough to make it really stand out. It would be cool to make the lines rotate and translate and scan around over the map like Max Headroom's background! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU I wonder how you could go about implementing it as a high performance shader?