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> " There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises." lol at this ridiculous comment. Present the evidence please. How ma

> " There's lots of evidence milk isn't as good for you as the dairy industry advertises." lol at this ridiculous comment. Present the evidence please. How many millions of years do you think mammals have been drinking milk for?

uhtred 7y ago
Their mother's milk, during infancy. No mammals other than humans drink milk after infancy, and humans have only been doing that for a few thousand years. I'm sure there's links to evidence I can find but I'm not going to waste my time as it's common sense.
- melq 7y ago
  If its healthy during infancy why would it be unhealthy during adulthood?
  - bluGill 7y ago
    Because for species other than humans the ability to digest milk is lost when they become an adult. This genetic adaptation changing everything.
  - uhtred 7y ago
    Because the average adult doesn't need such a high concentration of fat and calories in a single drink / bowl of cereal / piece of cheese etc. If it was healthy and natural you'd be drinking your mother's milk as an adult, but I'm sure you aren't.
    - melq 7y ago
      >Because the average adult doesn’t need ... This doesn’t mean consuming a moderate amount of milk is somehow unhealthy.
lm28469 7y ago
How many millions of years do you think _adult_ mammals have been drinking milk _coming from other mammals_ for?
rsynnott 7y ago
_Adult_ mammals drinking the milk of other species is a _very_ new invention; lots of humans don't even do it.
nerevarthelame 7y ago
You're right that they should present the evidence, but "How many millions of years" isn't an especially convincing counterargument either. For most of those millions of years, mammals have been drinking strictly the milk from their species only during their infancy.
- bluGill 7y ago
  About 1/3rd of adult humans have genetic mutations to make drinking milk safe. (by coincidence most of those adults speak English). Because of that adaptation the other species argument is invalid.
thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube. Also, there's the China study, one of the largest ever studies in china showing that dairy and meat consumption are strongly linked to cancers and diseases even within a genetically homogenous population. some portions of the population had cancer rates of 400 times higher than other areas: guess what they ate? dairy/meat. they looked at over 30 factors and found the biggest factors were what people ate. there's numerous other studies as well. drinking your own species milk is very different from drinking another mammals milk. humans didn't start drinking /eating dairy until very recently in the last couple 100K years.
- t0ddbonzalez 7y ago
  > "dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube." Who is Dr Miller. Does he present his research in medical journals, or just on YouTube? Got a link to a research paper? "Look it up on YouTube" isn't a valid response when someone asks for proof of something... > " Also, there's the China study..." China's a big place. Lots of studies going on, I'd imagine. Again - got a link to a research paper? How about this: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/diet-and-cancer/food-controversies https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc... "Milk and dairy are good sources of calcium and protein which are needed as part of a healthy, balanced diet. Calcium is important for teeth and bone health. Studies looking into the link between cancer and dairy products have not given clear results. There is evidence that dairy products could reduce the risk of bowel cancer, but we cannot say for sure that this is the case. There is no strong evidence linking dairy products to any other types of cancer. We need further research to find out more about the links between dairy products and cancer risk."
  - thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
    Most of the calcium you get from milk just ends up getting pissed out. they've measured this many times and found that the body doesn't even absorb most of the calcium from the milk. You can get calcium from many many many sources: nearly all the fruits and vegetables have it in abundance. This will shock you, but It's a fact that no animal produces it's own protein. Protein gets produced in Plants, that's where it comes from. Animals get their protein from plants. If you get it from a cow through milk or eating the cow meat, your just eating 2nd hand protein. Look at all the strongest and biggest animals in the world: Apes, Gorillas, Cows, Elephants, Rhinos they all eat plants and get nearly all their protein from plants. Milk is actually terrible for your bones. There are many studies showing that it is linked to increased bone fractures in elderly people and also linked to increased cardiovascular risk. I know this all sounds shocking, but if you want to know the truth, you should watch "Forks over knives" or watch "What the health". both can be found on netflix.

uhtred 7y ago

Their mother's milk, during infancy. No mammals other than humans drink milk after infancy, and humans have only been doing that for a few thousand years. I'm sure there's links to evidence I can find but I'm not going to waste my time as it's common sense.

melq 7y ago
If its healthy during infancy why would it be unhealthy during adulthood?
- bluGill 7y ago
  Because for species other than humans the ability to digest milk is lost when they become an adult. This genetic adaptation changing everything.
- uhtred 7y ago
  Because the average adult doesn't need such a high concentration of fat and calories in a single drink / bowl of cereal / piece of cheese etc. If it was healthy and natural you'd be drinking your mother's milk as an adult, but I'm sure you aren't.
  - melq 7y ago
    >Because the average adult doesn’t need ... This doesn’t mean consuming a moderate amount of milk is somehow unhealthy.

lm28469 7y ago

How many millions of years do you think _adult_ mammals have been drinking milk _coming from other mammals_ for?

rsynnott 7y ago

_Adult_ mammals drinking the milk of other species is a _very_ new invention; lots of humans don't even do it.

nerevarthelame 7y ago

You're right that they should present the evidence, but "How many millions of years" isn't an especially convincing counterargument either. For most of those millions of years, mammals have been drinking strictly the milk from their species only during their infancy.

bluGill 7y ago
About 1/3rd of adult humans have genetic mutations to make drinking milk safe. (by coincidence most of those adults speak English). Because of that adaptation the other species argument is invalid.

thorwasdfasdf 7y ago

dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube. Also, there's the China study, one of the largest ever studies in china showing that dairy and meat consumption are strongly linked to cancers and diseases even within a genetically homogenous population. some portions of the population had cancer rates of 400 times higher than other areas: guess what they ate? dairy/meat. they looked at over 30 factors and found the biggest factors were what people ate. there's numerous other studies as well. drinking your own species milk is very different from drinking another mammals milk. humans didn't start drinking /eating dairy until very recently in the last couple 100K years.

t0ddbonzalez 7y ago
> "dairy consumption is very strongly linked to prostate cancer: Dr. Miller gave a huge talk about this. You can find it on Youtube." Who is Dr Miller. Does he present his research in medical journals, or just on YouTube? Got a link to a research paper? "Look it up on YouTube" isn't a valid response when someone asks for proof of something... > " Also, there's the China study..." China's a big place. Lots of studies going on, I'd imagine. Again - got a link to a research paper? How about this: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/diet-and-cancer/food-controversies https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc... "Milk and dairy are good sources of calcium and protein which are needed as part of a healthy, balanced diet. Calcium is important for teeth and bone health. Studies looking into the link between cancer and dairy products have not given clear results. There is evidence that dairy products could reduce the risk of bowel cancer, but we cannot say for sure that this is the case. There is no strong evidence linking dairy products to any other types of cancer. We need further research to find out more about the links between dairy products and cancer risk."
- thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
  Most of the calcium you get from milk just ends up getting pissed out. they've measured this many times and found that the body doesn't even absorb most of the calcium from the milk. You can get calcium from many many many sources: nearly all the fruits and vegetables have it in abundance. This will shock you, but It's a fact that no animal produces it's own protein. Protein gets produced in Plants, that's where it comes from. Animals get their protein from plants. If you get it from a cow through milk or eating the cow meat, your just eating 2nd hand protein. Look at all the strongest and biggest animals in the world: Apes, Gorillas, Cows, Elephants, Rhinos they all eat plants and get nearly all their protein from plants. Milk is actually terrible for your bones. There are many studies showing that it is linked to increased bone fractures in elderly people and also linked to increased cardiovascular risk. I know this all sounds shocking, but if you want to know the truth, you should watch "Forks over knives" or watch "What the health". both can be found on netflix.