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It's my understanding that it's sugar combined with fat that's the real problem. I think it boils down to - everything in moderation, including moderation.

gxon 7y ago
I've never heard anything like this. Are you suggesting there's evidence that sugar and fat have some kind of synergistic effect when eaten together?
- lvturner 7y ago
  Yes. Although the only study I can find right now links a high sugar and high fat diet to depression rather than weight gain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724468 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724468
- bduerst 7y ago
  As a rule of thumb, sugars trip the insulin absorption endocrine pathways (weight gain) in the body more readily than the other macros. Fats are energy-rich, so combining sugars with fats means you're tripping the weight gain mechanisms with extra chemical energy present. It's also why honey glazed bacon tastes amazing.
- collyw 7y ago
  That seemed to be the conclusion of this BBC Horizon documentary. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmgrx https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmgrx
  - justanotherjoe 7y ago
    That's a documentary. Can you provide actual source?
- zubspace 7y ago
  There are some studies which show that fat and sugar combined lead to more consumption [1]. The food industry calls this the "Bliss point" [2] and that's why many processed foods combine have a high amounts of fat and carbs. [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213837.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213837.h... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food)
rtpg 7y ago
somehow this comment finally made me realize my issue with "everything in moderation". There's clearly a pretty big public health crisis when it comes to food. So saying "in moderation" is very hard to judge! Clearly the status quo isn't great. So what's a moderate amount of fat to consume? It could be half of what people tend to consume. it could be 10%. It could be double! Given that if you follow "eat what you like" you end up in a bad place, it's kind of hard to lend credence to stuff like paleo. So you're back to square 1 of having not much of a great idea. My bet is that the moderate amount of stuff that would be healthy vastly differs from what the "average minus 15%" or something would be.
justanotherjoe 7y ago
can you elaborate more? I thought eating fat and sugar together actually lowers the glycemic index in the food? (Lower glycemic index than you would without the fat)
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gxon 7y ago

I've never heard anything like this. Are you suggesting there's evidence that sugar and fat have some kind of synergistic effect when eaten together?

lvturner 7y ago
Yes. Although the only study I can find right now links a high sugar and high fat diet to depression rather than weight gain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724468 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724468
bduerst 7y ago
As a rule of thumb, sugars trip the insulin absorption endocrine pathways (weight gain) in the body more readily than the other macros. Fats are energy-rich, so combining sugars with fats means you're tripping the weight gain mechanisms with extra chemical energy present. It's also why honey glazed bacon tastes amazing.
collyw 7y ago
That seemed to be the conclusion of this BBC Horizon documentary. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmgrx https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01qmgrx
- justanotherjoe 7y ago
  That's a documentary. Can you provide actual source?
zubspace 7y ago
There are some studies which show that fat and sugar combined lead to more consumption [1]. The food industry calls this the "Bliss point" [2] and that's why many processed foods combine have a high amounts of fat and carbs. [1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213837.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213837.h... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food)

rtpg 7y ago

somehow this comment finally made me realize my issue with "everything in moderation". There's clearly a pretty big public health crisis when it comes to food. So saying "in moderation" is very hard to judge! Clearly the status quo isn't great. So what's a moderate amount of fat to consume? It could be half of what people tend to consume. it could be 10%. It could be double! Given that if you follow "eat what you like" you end up in a bad place, it's kind of hard to lend credence to stuff like paleo. So you're back to square 1 of having not much of a great idea. My bet is that the moderate amount of stuff that would be healthy vastly differs from what the "average minus 15%" or something would be.

justanotherjoe 7y ago

can you elaborate more? I thought eating fat and sugar together actually lowers the glycemic index in the food? (Lower glycemic index than you would without the fat)

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