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The best mac and cheese I have ever had was vegan although that was from a vegan restaurant so I don't even know how they made it.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute.
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- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it. Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice. The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecognisably similar, e.g. what Impossible and Beyond Meat are trying to do, at which point one likely surrenders many health benefits.)
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
      > Just had mac and cheese at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago Mind sharing the name? I'm out there in a few weeks.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        10th Street Diner. Also highly recommend their take on a BLT. Enjoy! https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis
      - md2be 7y ago
        Vegan Mac Cheese sauce is perhaps the simplistic thing to make - soak cashews overnight in fridge, drain water, add fresh water, blends, add nutritional yeast, salt, pepper, garlic, and a lemon. Heat and serve.
  - logfromblammo 7y ago
    I agree completely. Saying "vegan X" for a complex vegan recipe intended to approach the experience of eating X seems like a naming failure when considering the sometimes heroic effort that went into researching the recipe. Calling it "vegan cheese" is thus doubly unsuitable, as it disappoints everyone expecting something like real cheese, and denies the vegan innovator a distinctive, intrinsically vegan name for the creation. Veganism should really be appealing for vegans first, and then the masses will appropriate from that culture whatever foods they like best from it. A "mac and vegan cheese" will never be able to outcompete mac and genuine cheese among the people who don't really care all that much if dairy cows are exploited or unhappy. But a "macaroni and cashew-butter sauce" might be fine if I'm not really in the mood for real cheese, or want to try something different. I'm perfectly willing to try original vegan foods, but when they go head-to-head with vegan imitation against non-vegan genuine, I will choose the genuine food most of the time.
dpatru 7y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw Here are my kids making vegan mac and cheese.
- shhshahassa 7y ago
  no one asked for this lol

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute.

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JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Cashew sauce serves as a cheese substitute Recently went to a plant-based pizza place. (Unknowingly.) Pizza comes out. It's a white pizza. Cashew cheese all over it. Biting into what you think is cheese and getting cashew is disgusting. Biting into a cashew, sage and roasted pepper flatbread is quite nice. The language around substitutes likely needs to evolve for mass adoption. (That or make it literally unrecognisably similar, e.g. what Impossible and Beyond Meat are trying to do, at which point one likely surrenders many health benefits.)
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Just had mac and cheese (with cashew sauce as the cheese) at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago, couldn't tell the difference between it and the real deal. It's unlikely you're going to get away with calling cashew sauce "cheese" at scale, but when properly made it gets close.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > Just had mac and cheese at a vegan diner in Indianapolis a few days ago Mind sharing the name? I'm out there in a few weeks.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      10th Street Diner. Also highly recommend their take on a BLT. Enjoy! https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis https://www.yelp.com/biz/10th-street-diner-indianapolis
    - md2be 7y ago
      Vegan Mac Cheese sauce is perhaps the simplistic thing to make - soak cashews overnight in fridge, drain water, add fresh water, blends, add nutritional yeast, salt, pepper, garlic, and a lemon. Heat and serve.
- logfromblammo 7y ago
  I agree completely. Saying "vegan X" for a complex vegan recipe intended to approach the experience of eating X seems like a naming failure when considering the sometimes heroic effort that went into researching the recipe. Calling it "vegan cheese" is thus doubly unsuitable, as it disappoints everyone expecting something like real cheese, and denies the vegan innovator a distinctive, intrinsically vegan name for the creation. Veganism should really be appealing for vegans first, and then the masses will appropriate from that culture whatever foods they like best from it. A "mac and vegan cheese" will never be able to outcompete mac and genuine cheese among the people who don't really care all that much if dairy cows are exploited or unhappy. But a "macaroni and cashew-butter sauce" might be fine if I'm not really in the mood for real cheese, or want to try something different. I'm perfectly willing to try original vegan foods, but when they go head-to-head with vegan imitation against non-vegan genuine, I will choose the genuine food most of the time.

dpatru 7y ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2Ry-pC6Rw Here are my kids making vegan mac and cheese.

shhshahassa 7y ago
no one asked for this lol