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Who here remembers Groklaw? PJ was covering Oracle vs. Google with the same level of detail that she used on SCO vs. IBM. Coverage ran up into the first appea

Who here remembers Groklaw? PJ was covering Oracle vs. Google with the same level of detail that she used on SCO vs. IBM. Coverage ran up into the first appeal, when she stopped updating the site. • The list of all Oracle vs. Google filings (up to the site's closing), with links to articles that mention them. Not all filings had corresponding articles: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=OracleGoogle http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=OracleGoog... • The list of all articles related to Oracle vs. Google, in reverse-order (newest at the top): http://groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=archives&year=-1&use_s_page=OracleGoogle http://groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=archives&year=... PJ, wherever you are, I hope you're doing well! (Edited: Removed characters that messed up formatting)

ethbro 7y ago
Stopped updating it for a reason -- http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175
- pisky 7y ago
  Has that site been hacked? When I use Chrome's simplified view there is a paragraph injected talking about and linking to live porn.
  - ShorsHammer 7y ago
    > http:// http:// no donkey in this race but how sure this is not you and your circumstances rather than the site itself? Living in certain countries my ISP used to inject all sort of nonsense into every unencrypted site they could. Anyone not using tls these days is intentionally exposing their readers to harm, which you seem to be experiencing. Personally I won't view such sites on principle and block them with https-everywhere, though guessing many others do allow it, due to being the default setting worldwide.
    - anderskaseorg 7y ago
      It’s not just them—the described paragraph is in the Google cache (search for xxx). https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhVEwmGBrloJ:www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story%3D20130818120421175&hl=en&gl=us&strip=0&vwsrc=1 https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhVEwm...
      - mattchamb 7y ago
        view the page source and there is a "position: absolute; left: -5294px; top: 0;" to hide the paragraph
        _JamesA_ 7y ago
        As someone who doesn't dive deep into CSS positioning what is the significance of -5294? Is there a reason it's not a round number?
  - tyingq 7y ago
    Wouldn't be surprising if it were hacked. The "geeklog" PHP cms has a pretty big list of CVEs. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=1050&product_id=0&version_id=0&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=1&trc=28&sha=0f211843d34ed576fb1f1c36561ebc7d8b3cd1b1 https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=...
- saalweachter 7y ago
  There's a bit of "get you coming and going" here. If the NSA -- and other state / state-like actors -- are omnipotent, and can always find you through your email, etc, you either have to stop what you're doing or be willing to deal with being caught or exposed. If they aren't all-powerful, but people stop using email to communicate and stop carrying out their business because of the belief they are, that also serves the same purpose as catching or exposing the people in question -- it stops their activities. This reminds me of the idea behind WikiLeaks -- not just to expose the leaked documents, but to make it so costly to carry on secret communications and operations that people stop trying.
oceanghost 7y ago
Groklaw was a daily read for me in the Caldera era. :-)
- DannyB2 7y ago
  You are supposed to confuse Caldera with SCO. But you didn't. GL was one of the best daily reads there ever was.
  - oceanghost 7y ago
    I bought Caldera Linux in a box at one point in my life. I also wasn't the founder, but the first team member of a Linux distribution, and the thing was very, VERY personal to me.
jcranmer 7y ago
SCOTUSblog has its case page for Oracle v Google here: https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/google-llc-v-oracle-america-inc/ https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/google-llc-v-ora... At a minimum, it will cover the briefs of both sides, and maybe some amici briefs, in an argument preview; then a summary of the oral argument in an argument analysis; and then a final summary of the ruling in an opinion analysis.
dhimes 7y ago
Does she ever comment here any more?
davorak 7y ago
Reading Groklaw when it was updating was amazing. I remember it as clear and concise writing that always seemed to illuminate the facts and angles to best grasp the topic/issue with. I wrote a thank you email to the author for all of the great articles when it was shutting down. I still occasional think about it and wish it was around to illuminate contemporary issues. If you have recommendations for a similar source of writing/insight please let me know.

ethbro 7y ago

Stopped updating it for a reason -- http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175

pisky 7y ago
Has that site been hacked? When I use Chrome's simplified view there is a paragraph injected talking about and linking to live porn.
- ShorsHammer 7y ago
  > http:// http:// no donkey in this race but how sure this is not you and your circumstances rather than the site itself? Living in certain countries my ISP used to inject all sort of nonsense into every unencrypted site they could. Anyone not using tls these days is intentionally exposing their readers to harm, which you seem to be experiencing. Personally I won't view such sites on principle and block them with https-everywhere, though guessing many others do allow it, due to being the default setting worldwide.
  - anderskaseorg 7y ago
    It’s not just them—the described paragraph is in the Google cache (search for xxx). https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhVEwmGBrloJ:www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story%3D20130818120421175&hl=en&gl=us&strip=0&vwsrc=1 https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhVEwm...
    - mattchamb 7y ago
      view the page source and there is a "position: absolute; left: -5294px; top: 0;" to hide the paragraph
      - _JamesA_ 7y ago
        As someone who doesn't dive deep into CSS positioning what is the significance of -5294? Is there a reason it's not a round number?
- tyingq 7y ago
  Wouldn't be surprising if it were hacked. The "geeklog" PHP cms has a pretty big list of CVEs. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=1050&product_id=0&version_id=0&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=1&trc=28&sha=0f211843d34ed576fb1f1c36561ebc7d8b3cd1b1 https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=...
saalweachter 7y ago
There's a bit of "get you coming and going" here. If the NSA -- and other state / state-like actors -- are omnipotent, and can always find you through your email, etc, you either have to stop what you're doing or be willing to deal with being caught or exposed. If they aren't all-powerful, but people stop using email to communicate and stop carrying out their business because of the belief they are, that also serves the same purpose as catching or exposing the people in question -- it stops their activities. This reminds me of the idea behind WikiLeaks -- not just to expose the leaked documents, but to make it so costly to carry on secret communications and operations that people stop trying.

oceanghost 7y ago

Groklaw was a daily read for me in the Caldera era. :-)

DannyB2 7y ago
You are supposed to confuse Caldera with SCO. But you didn't. GL was one of the best daily reads there ever was.
- oceanghost 7y ago
  I bought Caldera Linux in a box at one point in my life. I also wasn't the founder, but the first team member of a Linux distribution, and the thing was very, VERY personal to me.

jcranmer 7y ago

SCOTUSblog has its case page for Oracle v Google here: https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/google-llc-v-oracle-america-inc/ https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/google-llc-v-ora... At a minimum, it will cover the briefs of both sides, and maybe some amici briefs, in an argument preview; then a summary of the oral argument in an argument analysis; and then a final summary of the ruling in an opinion analysis.

dhimes 7y ago

Does she ever comment here any more?

davorak 7y ago

Reading Groklaw when it was updating was amazing. I remember it as clear and concise writing that always seemed to illuminate the facts and angles to best grasp the topic/issue with. I wrote a thank you email to the author for all of the great articles when it was shutting down. I still occasional think about it and wish it was around to illuminate contemporary issues. If you have recommendations for a similar source of writing/insight please let me know.