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> The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. It's not that simpl

> The absolute minimum bar to hit for a car that's even roughly the same price (say within 30% or so) is the range of the equivalent Tesla. It's not that simple. The Audi e-tron outsells both the Model X and the Model S in Europe: http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.html http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.ht... > Bear in mind also, that this car would not give you access to Tesla superchargers. I always find this mindset strange. A closed charging network is not in your best interest as a driver. The question you should be asking is why can't you charge any EV on Tesla's chargers. Here is a Volkswagen ID.3 charging side by side with a Tesla Model 3 on Ionity chargers, exactly as it should be: https://imgur.com/a/Giue5hW https://imgur.com/a/Giue5hW Other charging networks allow Teslas to charge on them, so when will Tesla reciprocate and open their network to other EVs?

DeonPenny 7y ago
You can charge other EVs on a tesla charge. No company has made it possible yet though. Tesla made their one tech and got ahead. Why the industry steal made their own is beyond me
- clouddrover 7y ago
  Tesla uses CCS type 2 combo plugs in Europe. It took them about 4 months to switch over: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... All CCS EVs can already plug in to European Tesla chargers. The only thing preventing them from charging is Tesla.
esotericn 7y ago
> I always find this mindset strange. A closed charging network is not in your best interest as a driver. The question you should be asking is why can't you charge any EV on Tesla's chargers. I mean, if you're buying a car today, what matters is the charging network that exists, not the one you theoretically might like to exist. I take real trips, not dream ones.... :P
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > what matters is the charging network that exists, not the one you theoretically might like to exist. No, you're still trapped in this closed network mindset. What matters is that multiple, interoperable networks exist, which they do. The Internet is better than AOL. Tesla's just not a team player. It's profoundly lame. It's fascinating that people defend it.

DeonPenny 7y ago

You can charge other EVs on a tesla charge. No company has made it possible yet though. Tesla made their one tech and got ahead. Why the industry steal made their own is beyond me

clouddrover 7y ago
Tesla uses CCS type 2 combo plugs in Europe. It took them about 4 months to switch over: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... All CCS EVs can already plug in to European Tesla chargers. The only thing preventing them from charging is Tesla.

esotericn 7y ago

> I always find this mindset strange. A closed charging network is not in your best interest as a driver. The question you should be asking is why can't you charge any EV on Tesla's chargers. I mean, if you're buying a car today, what matters is the charging network that exists, not the one you theoretically might like to exist. I take real trips, not dream ones.... :P

clouddrover 7y ago
> what matters is the charging network that exists, not the one you theoretically might like to exist. No, you're still trapped in this closed network mindset. What matters is that multiple, interoperable networks exist, which they do. The Internet is better than AOL. Tesla's just not a team player. It's profoundly lame. It's fascinating that people defend it.