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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series And note that https://fwupd.org/lvfs/fi

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo#E_series And note that https://fwupd.org/lvfs/firmware/new https://fwupd.org/lvfs/firmware/new does not list any AMD laptops. So even if you get a functional laptop, you won't be able to update the bios easily.

basilgohar 7y ago
That's really unfortunate. I appreciate you sharing that with me. I hope this gets more attention. But is the BIOS something controlled by AMD or the OEMs? My whole point in this and other threads it that OEMs are handling things poorly, and that's what's affecting AMDs prospects in the mobile market. The BIOS is a highly device-specific firmware, so that's why I'm asking.
- bubblethink 7y ago
  The development of the BIOS is (typically) done by a company like AMI that interfaces with silicon manufacturers like AMD/Intel and laptop manufacturers like Lenovo/Dell. All of them are to blame for BIOS bugs since almost all laptop platforms (barring Chromebooks and a few others) are locked down in a way that nobody other than them can fix the issues.
blattimwind 7y ago
> So even if you get a functional laptop, you won't be able to update the bios easily. Extracting a ZIP on a FAT/NTFS USB key is difficult?
- bubblethink 7y ago
  Nothing is difficult. The point is that there is no excuse for using a) windows, b) freedos, c) geteltorito, or any hacks and workarounds in 2020 for updating the bios of your laptop. To your point, the method of putting the bios file on a usb stick is also not universal. I don't think any lenovo laptops support that. And while passable, that's also kludgy.
bubblethink 7y ago
Replying to self for an edit. T495 has bios updates on fwupd but the E series does not. So it's a case of price differentiation by lenovo.
- basilgohar 7y ago
  Appreciate the update. I'm glad that you brought this issue up. It's an important one to me and one I think needs more attention.
lllauri 7y ago
I updated my A485 bios recently using fwupd, was much easier than on windows, just run a command and restart. To me the year of the Linux desktop is already here :) But yea seems that not all machines are supported, you either get lucky or have to do research beforehand.

basilgohar 7y ago

That's really unfortunate. I appreciate you sharing that with me. I hope this gets more attention. But is the BIOS something controlled by AMD or the OEMs? My whole point in this and other threads it that OEMs are handling things poorly, and that's what's affecting AMDs prospects in the mobile market. The BIOS is a highly device-specific firmware, so that's why I'm asking.

bubblethink 7y ago
The development of the BIOS is (typically) done by a company like AMI that interfaces with silicon manufacturers like AMD/Intel and laptop manufacturers like Lenovo/Dell. All of them are to blame for BIOS bugs since almost all laptop platforms (barring Chromebooks and a few others) are locked down in a way that nobody other than them can fix the issues.

blattimwind 7y ago

> So even if you get a functional laptop, you won't be able to update the bios easily. Extracting a ZIP on a FAT/NTFS USB key is difficult?

bubblethink 7y ago
Nothing is difficult. The point is that there is no excuse for using a) windows, b) freedos, c) geteltorito, or any hacks and workarounds in 2020 for updating the bios of your laptop. To your point, the method of putting the bios file on a usb stick is also not universal. I don't think any lenovo laptops support that. And while passable, that's also kludgy.

bubblethink 7y ago

Replying to self for an edit. T495 has bios updates on fwupd but the E series does not. So it's a case of price differentiation by lenovo.

basilgohar 7y ago
Appreciate the update. I'm glad that you brought this issue up. It's an important one to me and one I think needs more attention.

lllauri 7y ago

I updated my A485 bios recently using fwupd, was much easier than on windows, just run a command and restart. To me the year of the Linux desktop is already here :) But yea seems that not all machines are supported, you either get lucky or have to do research beforehand.