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> no, it is not a necessity to raise and slaughter animals. You can survive just fine on an entirely plant-based diet. It's detrimental to the world which is li

> no, it is not a necessity to raise and slaughter animals. You can survive just fine on an entirely plant-based diet. It's detrimental to the world which is literally on fire right now. Surviving purely on plant based diet and remaining in your top form will require more than stop eating meat and solving - Cost - Availability - Education and few more major issues. That is for consumers only, corporations have different problems. They won't suddenly disappear and if they did, it might become a problem for you indirectly through state. > the population increases and countries like China raise the demand exponentially. Population is declining everywhere except Africa and some odd balls. > there is no way to humanely raise an animal only to kill it unjustifiably. That depends entirely on you. Although I agree humanely way to kill is more of a need for humans than animals, it seems.

geddy 7y ago
Consumers need to be educated, you are right on that. But corporations will evolve like they always have - look at Nestle buying SweetEarth brands. Tyson entering the plant-based market. They will adapt and overcome. But it all starts with the consumer. >Population is declining everywhere except Africa and some odd balls Then why do projections put us around 10 billion people in the next 30 years? >That depends entirely on you It depends on individual morals yes, but on the grand scale of things, I don't think any sound-minded human would, without outside influence, find it completely alright to murder an animal. If you give a child an apple and a bunny, do you think they'd kill the bunny or eat the apple?
- thrwaway69 7y ago
  > Then why do projections put us around 10 billion people in the next 30 years? I didn't mean population globally but China isn't contributing to it as much as you think it is anymore. > I don't think any sound-minded human would, without outside influence, find it completely alright to murder an animal. If you give a child an apple and a bunny, do you think they'd kill the bunny or eat the apple? Let's do an extreme take, giving apple is not comparable as it is [1][2] already 'murdered' compared to a bunny. A better comparison would be prepared bunny meat and sliced apple. Would you say the kid will choose one over other out of instincts? 1] https://m.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 https://m.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligen... Just meant to illustrate that when we think of suffering, it needs to be visible for us to do something about it and see it as a problem. Buying meat from a grocery store doesn't help your perception, so I wouldn't blame people for not caring as much. I think it is hypocritical to neglect plants that can show stress and feel that they are being literally eaten alive and advocate for less suffering by asking people to eat them instead of meat but that's not pragmatic.

geddy 7y ago

Consumers need to be educated, you are right on that. But corporations will evolve like they always have - look at Nestle buying SweetEarth brands. Tyson entering the plant-based market. They will adapt and overcome. But it all starts with the consumer. >Population is declining everywhere except Africa and some odd balls Then why do projections put us around 10 billion people in the next 30 years? >That depends entirely on you It depends on individual morals yes, but on the grand scale of things, I don't think any sound-minded human would, without outside influence, find it completely alright to murder an animal. If you give a child an apple and a bunny, do you think they'd kill the bunny or eat the apple?

thrwaway69 7y ago
> Then why do projections put us around 10 billion people in the next 30 years? I didn't mean population globally but China isn't contributing to it as much as you think it is anymore. > I don't think any sound-minded human would, without outside influence, find it completely alright to murder an animal. If you give a child an apple and a bunny, do you think they'd kill the bunny or eat the apple? Let's do an extreme take, giving apple is not comparable as it is [1][2] already 'murdered' compared to a bunny. A better comparison would be prepared bunny meat and sliced apple. Would you say the kid will choose one over other out of instincts? 1] https://m.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 https://m.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligen... Just meant to illustrate that when we think of suffering, it needs to be visible for us to do something about it and see it as a problem. Buying meat from a grocery store doesn't help your perception, so I wouldn't blame people for not caring as much. I think it is hypocritical to neglect plants that can show stress and feel that they are being literally eaten alive and advocate for less suffering by asking people to eat them instead of meat but that's not pragmatic.