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While I agree with some of your sentiment, I think it's worth pointing out that the recently-fired CEO on whose watch this debacle happened, was a lifetime avia

While I agree with some of your sentiment, I think it's worth pointing out that the recently-fired CEO on whose watch this debacle happened, was a lifetime aviation employee with an engineering background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Muilenburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Muilenburg

pcurve 7y ago
That's true. But people do change. Once you stop wearing your engineering hat, most of the benefit goes out the window. Yes, of all people, he should've known better to heed to his engineers' warning. He also should've ensured the properly management structure was in place such that the warning was given proper due diligence and risk management. I think you can still be an effective CEO of Boeing as long as you have right composition of senior leadership in place. Decades of major design-flow related crashes made everyone complacent.
jplayer01 7y ago
He’d been the CEO since ... 2015. I think it’s entirely unfair to push all the responsibility on him. He didn’t build the modern Boeing culture. He inherited it, and by accounts I’ve read so far, was unable to change it sufficiently to prevent the accidents. It’s hard to change company culture once entrenched and I’m hesitant to scapegoat him when there are obviously a lot of other significant factors at play.
- rl3 7y ago
  I agree he wasn't entirely to blame. Regardless, the handling of the MAX incidents was inexcusable. The moral deficiencies were innumerable.
  - jplayer01 7y ago
    Yes, of course. He didn't handle it well at all. The problems aren't going away with him stepping down, unfortunately, and considering his replacement, it doesn't seem like there's any interest in fixing the real issues that are plaguing the company.
PedroBatista 7y ago
He's just the fool who lost the hot potato game. Boeing lost the moment they didn't realize the aging 737 would be a dead-end and was imperative they'll take risks and say "no, but" to the airlines. Given how the corporate world works that was very difficult or almost impossible to someone actually do this. Among other things it's the classic example of short term obsession demolishing the future.

pcurve 7y ago

That's true. But people do change. Once you stop wearing your engineering hat, most of the benefit goes out the window. Yes, of all people, he should've known better to heed to his engineers' warning. He also should've ensured the properly management structure was in place such that the warning was given proper due diligence and risk management. I think you can still be an effective CEO of Boeing as long as you have right composition of senior leadership in place. Decades of major design-flow related crashes made everyone complacent.

jplayer01 7y ago

He’d been the CEO since ... 2015. I think it’s entirely unfair to push all the responsibility on him. He didn’t build the modern Boeing culture. He inherited it, and by accounts I’ve read so far, was unable to change it sufficiently to prevent the accidents. It’s hard to change company culture once entrenched and I’m hesitant to scapegoat him when there are obviously a lot of other significant factors at play.

rl3 7y ago
I agree he wasn't entirely to blame. Regardless, the handling of the MAX incidents was inexcusable. The moral deficiencies were innumerable.
- jplayer01 7y ago
  Yes, of course. He didn't handle it well at all. The problems aren't going away with him stepping down, unfortunately, and considering his replacement, it doesn't seem like there's any interest in fixing the real issues that are plaguing the company.

PedroBatista 7y ago

He's just the fool who lost the hot potato game. Boeing lost the moment they didn't realize the aging 737 would be a dead-end and was imperative they'll take risks and say "no, but" to the airlines. Given how the corporate world works that was very difficult or almost impossible to someone actually do this. Among other things it's the classic example of short term obsession demolishing the future.