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Fair enough, but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. > I literally have video of the dude grabb

Fair enough, but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. > I literally have video of the dude grabbing shit off my porch, but can do nothing about it. The only thing all this security theater does is aiding super convoluted scenarios where your neighbors system informs you to take your package in, if you have one currently out, and are fast enough, and are at home. In the long run, all this does for prevention is creating an arms race easily won by covering up your face and randomizing routes as the thief... So: Make a startup selling big-ass secure post boxes. Minimize crime by, you know, education and financial aid. Kill this excessive package-delivery culture which is super damaging anyways somehow. Make the police force more efficient. Make small package-taking centrals. Whatever. I understand. But this cloud-based security is the absolute worst thing you can do. edit: spelling

treis 7y ago
>Fair enough, but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. Because it's a single system and not part of a network. If it were part of a network then, theoretically, the thief could be tracked back to their car/home and arrested. Hackernews loves to jump to the dystopian when it comes to public surveillance but somehow has a blind spot for the utopian possibilities. A sufficiently broad and technologically advanced public surveillance system would essentially eliminate crime in public. Why steal a package off a porch if you're going to be immediately identified and then automatically tracked via camera until it's convenient for the police to arrest you?
munificent 7y ago
> but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. My first sentence said I agree with your overall point. In my case, the main reason we have the cameras is because my wife felt they would help her feel more secure. They have been somewhat useful and/or worthwhile for other things: * We can see who's at the door and ignore them if they are solicitors. * When we're not home and someone knocks on the door, we can respond to them since the camera also has a speaker. When our friends dropped off a few Christmas presents while we were out at dinner, it was cool to be able to say thanks right then. * On the off chance a more serious crime is committed, we may have footage of it. The police don't care about package theft, but they are likely to investigate trespassing, breaking and entering, etc. * Sometimes we see bunnies and baby raccoons meandering around the alley, which is always cute. I'm not a big fan of the system, but it is occasionally handy or rewarding to have access to a live camera around my house.

treis 7y ago

>Fair enough, but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. Because it's a single system and not part of a network. If it were part of a network then, theoretically, the thief could be tracked back to their car/home and arrested. Hackernews loves to jump to the dystopian when it comes to public surveillance but somehow has a blind spot for the utopian possibilities. A sufficiently broad and technologically advanced public surveillance system would essentially eliminate crime in public. Why steal a package off a porch if you're going to be immediately identified and then automatically tracked via camera until it's convenient for the police to arrest you?

munificent 7y ago

> but as you literally state yourself, the security system does not even help. I repeat, it does nothing. My first sentence said I agree with your overall point. In my case, the main reason we have the cameras is because my wife felt they would help her feel more secure. They have been somewhat useful and/or worthwhile for other things: * We can see who's at the door and ignore them if they are solicitors. * When we're not home and someone knocks on the door, we can respond to them since the camera also has a speaker. When our friends dropped off a few Christmas presents while we were out at dinner, it was cool to be able to say thanks right then. * On the off chance a more serious crime is committed, we may have footage of it. The police don't care about package theft, but they are likely to investigate trespassing, breaking and entering, etc. * Sometimes we see bunnies and baby raccoons meandering around the alley, which is always cute. I'm not a big fan of the system, but it is occasionally handy or rewarding to have access to a live camera around my house.