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When you start abstracting these ideas to their limits you realize how ridiculous life can be. There is nothing that would physically prevent a 'wall' being pu

When you start abstracting these ideas to their limits you realize how ridiculous life can be. There is nothing that would physically prevent a 'wall' being put around the planet and deeming the planet a community. Is the wall to show people where the boundaries are or to show God? It all seems to meaninglessly arbitrary.

xwowsersx 7y ago
Incorrect. Study the laws of Eruv, which are quite complex, and you'll understand why. Certain areas (the exact definition of which is quite rigorous) simply cannot be turned into private domains for purposes of the laws of Eruv and the Earth falls into this category. No the boundaries are not to "show God".
- monkeynotes 7y ago
  I just read this article: https://www.halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Introduction_to_the_Modern_Eruv https://www.halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Introduction_to... Bonkers if you ask me. There are three biblical areas > ...reshut ha-yahid (a private domain) and reshut ha-rabbim (a public domain). Any other area is considered a makom patur (an exempt area) Then Rabbis made up a fourth: > To avoid inadvertent violations of Shabbat, however, the rabbis introduced a fourth type of domain called a karmelit. This category includes some areas that would be considered a reshut ha-yahid on a biblical level and some areas that would be considered a makom patur on a biblical level. Which ends up with some oddities that seem to conflict with biblical dictate... > while an open field is a biblical makom patur [an exempt area], on a rabbinic level it is a karmelit [treated like public domain]. Then the whole discourse degenerates into this... > Rabbi Yosef Teomim, author of an important commentary on the Shulhan Arukh called the Pri Megadim, raised the possibility that the tzurat ha-petah is only effective in enclosing an area according to rabbinic law. According to biblical law, however, the tzurat ha-petah is ineffective. Subsequently, using a tzurat ha-petah to enclose an area that is considered to be a “public domain” on a biblical level would simply be an insufficient means to convert it into a “private domain.” A karmelit, however, is considered a makom patur on a biblical level and is only considered “public” by the rabbis; thus by erecting a rabbinically sanctioned enclosure, one successfully converts it into a “private domain.”[4] Every input here just leads to more questions, ultimately I think little of it would make actual sense to me even I studied a lifetime's worth of doctrine. To avoid a rabbit hole conversation I bow out and just chalk this up to humans being humans. Others are obviously free to think whatever they like, I have no problem with that.

xwowsersx 7y ago

Incorrect. Study the laws of Eruv, which are quite complex, and you'll understand why. Certain areas (the exact definition of which is quite rigorous) simply cannot be turned into private domains for purposes of the laws of Eruv and the Earth falls into this category. No the boundaries are not to "show God".

monkeynotes 7y ago
I just read this article: https://www.halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Introduction_to_the_Modern_Eruv https://www.halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Introduction_to... Bonkers if you ask me. There are three biblical areas > ...reshut ha-yahid (a private domain) and reshut ha-rabbim (a public domain). Any other area is considered a makom patur (an exempt area) Then Rabbis made up a fourth: > To avoid inadvertent violations of Shabbat, however, the rabbis introduced a fourth type of domain called a karmelit. This category includes some areas that would be considered a reshut ha-yahid on a biblical level and some areas that would be considered a makom patur on a biblical level. Which ends up with some oddities that seem to conflict with biblical dictate... > while an open field is a biblical makom patur [an exempt area], on a rabbinic level it is a karmelit [treated like public domain]. Then the whole discourse degenerates into this... > Rabbi Yosef Teomim, author of an important commentary on the Shulhan Arukh called the Pri Megadim, raised the possibility that the tzurat ha-petah is only effective in enclosing an area according to rabbinic law. According to biblical law, however, the tzurat ha-petah is ineffective. Subsequently, using a tzurat ha-petah to enclose an area that is considered to be a “public domain” on a biblical level would simply be an insufficient means to convert it into a “private domain.” A karmelit, however, is considered a makom patur on a biblical level and is only considered “public” by the rabbis; thus by erecting a rabbinically sanctioned enclosure, one successfully converts it into a “private domain.”[4] Every input here just leads to more questions, ultimately I think little of it would make actual sense to me even I studied a lifetime's worth of doctrine. To avoid a rabbit hole conversation I bow out and just chalk this up to humans being humans. Others are obviously free to think whatever they like, I have no problem with that.