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Cultural Context of “Death to America” Chants
- moomin 7y agoSomeone was pointing out on Twitter yesterday that his taxi driver said “death to traffic”. Context is everything.
- commandlinefan 7y agoWell, that does mean that he wishes traffic didn't exist (and, in this case, I'm actually with him). I'm not sure that makes "death to America" any more peaceful.
- themagician 7y agoAll they want is for us to not exist anymore... in their region. Influencing their lives. Influencing their politics. That’s all they have ever wanted. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan… they just want the US to get the fuck out. Every major problem the US has in the Middle East is self inflicted. The “embassy” in Iraq isn’t an embassy. It a city. At 100 acres and 15,000+ personnel, it’s larger than many cities.
- jhanschoo 7y agoThe idea is the contexts in which such a statement is chosen to be uttered is important, and not just the possible interpretations of the statement given content: just as how the Iranian taxi driver says "death to traffic" offhandedly, so the US driver says "fuck this traffic" offhandedly, and just as the Iranian says "death to the US" offhandedly but not "death to traffic", so the US citizen says "fuck the government" offhandedly. In any case, neither mean to literally destroy or bugger the nation. So to the extent that "death to X" conveys a strong hatred with probable signification of action in English, it is a mistranslation, since "death to X" in Iranian conveys a frustration that has not been analyzed much or that belies an intention for planned action, which is more similar to "fuck X" in English.
- jhanschoo 7y agoedit: ', and just as the Iranian says "death to the US" offhandedly but not "death to traffic",' should read ', and just as the Iranian says "death to the US" offhandedly,'
- mc32 7y agoIt’s more or less like when you say FU. When you say it to a friend in competition of you say it to a rival in a heated exchange. Ask how they actually would say “death to America”. It’s going to be the same. So now this interview gives cover to those who are on the fence.
- azinman2 7y agoIs the same expression true in Arabic as well? There’s no shortage of translated crowds yelling “death to X” in many countries beyond Iran. Also, can anyone translate the bottom of the mural that has bombs and skulls with the American flag? To a non-native it’s hard to tell if this is a criticism of the US (supporting the article) or in fact suggesting to bomb the US (thus supporting death to America).
- schoen 7y agoI don't speak Farsi, but I know the Arabic alphabet (which is used in a modified form to write it). The text at the bottom is the same "marg bar Amrika" being discussed by this piece, which is why this image is used as an example of Iranians translating "marg bar" as "down with".
- mirimir 7y agoThey're claiming that the US is about bombs and skulls. Which seems like a fair enough argument. I mean, consider that Yale's Skull and Bones apparently collects notable skulls.
- azinman2 7y agoThere’s few countries that aren’t. After all, all current country borders / cultures / languages / people are the result of thousands of years of war. Many are actively killing either their own people, neighbors, or involved indirectly in proxy wars including both the US and Iran.
- Accujack 7y agoIt doesn't matter from whence the blood flows; only that it flows.
- andolanra 7y agoThe text does indeed say marg bar America, the phrase being discussed in the article. The bombs aren't supposed to indicate "let's drop them on America", but rather are intended to represent the bombs dropped by Americans: the intent of the mural is to criticize America's military interventions.
- crawfordcomeaux 7y agoMy context: The United States of America is a poorly designed political science experiment. It provides no means to peacefully revoke consent to be governed. There's no peaceful way out of the experiment, and so it violates a standard ethical norm for science experiments. I seek the death/transformation of any science experiment not allowing for peacefully revoking consent to participate in said experiment. Note: if revocation of consent leads to forceful removal from the country, I consider this to be a response that is not peaceful.
- throwGuardian 7y agoIf the US is a bad political experiment, which one is good? Iran would gladly send you to the gallows if you deemed it's religious leader - Ayatollah, also the political leader by design, as Iran is a religious state with no minority rights, a 'bad' political experiment. And China/Russia would know your probability of saying so a-priori, given their blanket surveillance generating social credibility scores.
- mirimir 7y ago> If the US is a bad political experiment, which one is good? That's a tough question, given human nature. From what I've read, I'd say some Native American cultures, which were ~stable for thousands of years. Also some parts of Polynesia.
- everybodyknows 7y agoBack in the 19th century, Herman Melville documented an apparently stable society in Typee. It was however, not without violence -- some of it so appalling to most readers that the novel barely hints at it.
- chrisco255 7y agoYou mean like the Aztec empire that practiced human sacrifice and tortured other tribes?
- arjie 7y agoThis is brilliant. It reminds me of the way "We will bury you"[0] was used to imply that Krushchev wanted to destroy America rather than say "history is on our side, and when your philosophy dies we will be there at its funeral" as it is possible he meant. I love this. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you
- kace91 7y agoThat one's funny for a Spanish speaker. It's common to hear things like "tu abuela nos entierra a todos" (Grandma will bury us all) to imply she's really healthy for her age. I never even considered the alternative and more sinister possible meaning.
- williesleg 7y agoGotta love the freedom haters. They should all leave the USA.
- acjohnson55 7y ago"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair It would be very inconvenient for a lot of people's agendas to not be able to portray the folks who use this slogan as bloodthirsty savages hell bent on destroying us.
- jrs95 7y agoIt would also be very inconvenient for a lot of people’s agendas for it to be socially acceptable to take what they say at face value instead of trying to cover it up with some kind of absurd psychobabble
- nkrisc 7y agoBut you're not taking it at face value, you're evaluating the English translation, not what people are chanting (unless you do in fact speak Farsi). Translation is not a 1:1 affair much of the time.
- jrs95 7y agoYes obviously “death” can be used in more than one way, when it’s chanted in combination with violence I think it’s safe to assume it’s probably the more literal interpretation
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- well_that_sucks 7y agowow what a fine bunch of communists and terrorist sympathizers we have here
- nkrisc 7y agoHow so? If we're going to bomb people, we should at least understand what they're saying, first.
- well_that_sucks 7y agooh ok we'll just wait for them to bomb us first.. oh wait they already have
- proc0 7y agoMuslim extremists just hate anyone who is not muslim. That's why Iran is in the place they are right now. These people hate with all their hearts, minds, and souls. When has the U.S. chanted "Death to ___"? When have Americans wished a whole group of people to be wiped out of the face of the earth? This is just every day for them. If it's not Americans, it's Jews, if not some other group. They won't be happy until they're the only ones left.
- michaelbuckbee 7y agoI'm trying to think of US English idioms with a similar down/dead potential for mistranslation: - They're dead to me - They're killing it - They're dead wrong - They're dead in the water
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y agoThis seems like a dogwhistle. Basically, all the various groups that really do hate America feel happy with "Death to America", while still being able to say, that that phrase only really means "Down with America." Given that this phrase was used during the storming of the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979, and is often accompanied by flag burning, probably a significant part of the crowds chanting that slogan do actually want death to come to individual Americans.
- anigbrowl 7y agoA dogwhistle is where the vast majority of people perceive something as innocuous (or don't notice it at all) and only those with the appropriately sensitive ears can pick up the real meaning.
- Udik 7y ago> Given that this phrase was used during the storming of the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979, and is often accompanied by flag burning, probably a significant part of the crowds chanting that slogan do actually want death to come to individual Americans. That is one stupid inference- a complete non sequitur.
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- OGWhales 7y agoThe article claims that the people still desire to see our leadership topple. I doubt most of the people chanting the phrases want to see "individual Americans" die but want to see our government die.
- mc32 7y agoSo we know what it means as a literal translation. What does it mean in the minds of people when they say it while they burn flags and effigies? When they chanted death/down with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war did their actions just not coincide with their chants as they bombarded Iraq? I’m not hitting you to be violent; rather, it’s a sign of affection.
- PaulHoule 7y agoBack in 1980 (during the hostage crisis) somebody put up a bullseye target with a picture of Ayatollah Khomeini in the gym at the Y.M.C.A. Death threats are common in political speech of that kind.
- mc32 7y agoLet’s put it this way, I wouldn’t go to Iran and announce out loud I’m American on the streets. Iranians were both protesting for and against US actions in recent days in US cities. Let’s try that in Iran if you think it’s the same.
- paulddraper 7y agoAnd I suspect that the person who put that up would like to see the Ayatollah dead.
- yongjik 7y agoSaddam Hussein invaded Iran under America's tacit approval, and then CIA helped Hussein use chemical weapons on Iranian troops. What would you expect Iranians to say in the middle of the war? Death with CIA-sponsored chemical weapons but we're otherwise cool with Iraq?
- mc32 7y agoBoth countries had ongoing hostilities. The ayatollah then called for the overthrow of Saddam. Saddam probably didn’t take that too well. But still, the point is it didn’t just mean “down with you, bah humbug!” as some people are trying to imply.
- starpilot 7y ago"When words fail, wars begin. When wars finally end, we settle our disputes with words."
- Bostonian 7y agoThe chants protest the U.S. killing of Soleimani, who was indeed responsible for the deaths of many Americans. Given this context, I think many of the demonstrators chanting "Death to America" should be taken literally.
- anigbrowl 7y agoA valuable article; american media so reflexively reports the 'death to America' line with regard to Iran that it has become a staple of American nationalist mythology at this point. The US (or more specifically, boomers, who still dominate policy and politics to a large extent) has (have) never gotten over the Iran hostage crisis of 1979-90, when the Iranian revolution took American embassy staffers hostage for months on end. Conservatives still demonize Jimmy Carter over it, mostly forgetting the fact that Carter actually tried a military response which failed dismally due a lack of military preparedness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw You could see a vivid example of this over the weekend when President Trump tweet-threatened to strike 52 sites of national or cultural importance to Iran 'representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran'. In general, rational factors are an input to policy, but many political currents are emotionally driven, and humiliation is a particularly toxic emotion that Trump has historically harped on; whether that's a cynical populist strategy or a personal hangup is a matter of conjecture. Of course, this works both ways; you could argue that Iran's selection of Ahmadinejad and Rouhani were to a large extent driven by their perceptions of George Bush and Barack Obama public personae.
- refurb 7y agoOk, even if “Death to America” is more benign than the translation sounds, shouldn’t we look towards Iran actions more than words? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_ter...
- jrs95 7y agoBut didn’t you read it? They don’t really mean it! Orange man bad, you’re gonna get drafted for World War 3, be sure to get out and vote this December btw. And then when you do and we bomb the same people 3 years from now please clap for our patriotic defense of America.
- well_that_sucks 7y agoyes! orange man so bad, we really shouldn't be arguing semantics here. death to america is a perfectly fine thing to say. i mean who really cares about actions anymore, its been all about feelings since 2016
- jessant 7y agoIs this a counter argument? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponso...
- jdoliner 7y agoNot really, it would be an argument that when Americans say "Death to Iran," it would be reasonable to take it at face-value. I don't really hear many people saying that, so maybe more accurately when politicians say (on Twitter, or otherwise) that they're going to attack a retaliate against a country, it's not some turn of phrase, they mean it literally.
- refurb 7y agoNo, because the US doing bad things doesn’t change whether or not Iran is doing bad things.
- infinity0 7y agoIt's pretty simple, like how "fuck the system" doesn't mean you literally want to copulate with the system. Not sure why people ITT still trying to nitpick and stick with the supposition that the chant is violent and primitive.
- Gusen 7y agoWag The Dog: First was feigned impeachment hearings meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is what they are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power. $84+ billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country. 600+ deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty. See latest \\See latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump & his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ? Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 130. \\case;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this 146pg doc, last updated today: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). 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President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including 5 boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepts a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17th of Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, New York on the 17thJan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5Jan2019 at 17:39 for billions in bribes: 5JanCh3_1600 1800.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36hrhx6S/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36h... 5JanCh2_1721-1818imp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about twenty mins in. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200imp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200ump3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 80's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 148page PDF [last update: Jan|6|2020]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets clipped
- Gusen 7y ago\\See latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump & his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ? Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 130. \\case;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this 146pg doc, last updated today: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). President Donald Trump: Demands a fo$4billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24fY0vBB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f... 3JanCh4_1000-1100!mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJojHge/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ... President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including 5 boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepts a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17th of Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, New York on the 17thJan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5Jan2019 at 17:39 for billions in bribes: 5JanCh3_1600 1800.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36hrhx6S/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36h... 5JanCh2_1721-1818imp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about twenty mins in. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200imp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200ump3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 80's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 148page PDF [last update: Jan|6|2020]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets clipped
- SJk7TAy 7y agoMy wife can testify that me saying "marg bar balesh" (death to pillow) every night does not mean that I want to stab my pillow to death, rather that it hurts my neck(+) when I use a soft pillow in bed. + Fortunately, with a new hard medical pillow I feel much better nowadays.
- awinter-py 7y ago'marg bar' also sounds like a reasonably good brunch place
- well_that_sucks 7y agoseriously - do any of you people know who Qasem Soleimani is and what he has done? What exactly is this newspeak symposium about
- homami 7y agoI went to school and grew up in Iran. Chanting death to America and Israel and even to poor (already) dead Shah was part of an official ritual every morning in the school. As a teenager, you don't grasp what you're saying. You're just part of the crowd. In an environment that there's almost no other forms of entertainment at reach; you feel powerful in these rallies. It's like being in a rock concert and singing the songs. I imagine most people that show up in the rallies these days have nothing else to do. It's a recreational event for most. Actually I think this is exactly what makes this culture most dangerous. There are big crowds of mostly low or unemployed people blindly following their leaders. And they enjoy it the same way that you enjoy a sport event or a concert. I speak Farsi and 'death to America', well means death to America. I even didn't know about the historical reference mentioned in the post. But I doubt that the big majority of the individuals that are shouting death to something truly mean it.
- csense 7y agoThanks for this comment. This has changed my view somewhat on the Iran situation. I originally thought it was pretty dumb of Trump to tear up the nuclear deal, escalate tensions, and most recently basically try to start a war (by killing a high level government official). But if "death to America" is literally being indoctrinated into their whole society, maybe war is inevitable, and better for it to start on our terms, when we have an advantage, instead of (say) wringing our hands and kicking the can down the road until they have nukes, like we did with North Korea. Maybe Trump's stance on this issue might not be so crazy?
- greendude29 7y agoYou missed the entire point of the article and your analysis from what you misunderstood is also somewhat daft. Supporting war because "[it] is inevitable, and better for it to start on our terms, when we have an advantage" __is__ insane and is not a defensible position.
- mc32 7y agoAre you arguing it’s better to go to war flat footed? I’m pretty sure the ayatollahs and their commanders would disagree with your strategy, not just the US.
- ctdonath 7y agoThe nuanced verbiage of the article is overshadowed by the lead graphic, showing the US leader being punched. This, along with current context of Iranian-organized mob assaults on the US embassy in Iraq (including burning the lobby), plus plenty of other incidents, makes it hard to accept the "they're just saying they don't like meanies" explanation.
- Udik 7y agoTrump is choking Iran after reneging an agreement the whole world had taken, and that Iran was respecting to the letter. What would you say if Iran prevented your country from having commercial exchanges with any other country in the world? Just imagine that.
- ctdonath 7y ago...he writes, conveniently overlooking the human rights abuses and threats against neighbors which induce the sanctions. Hanging gays for being gay, beating/jailing women for not wearing scarves, frequently declaring intent to bomb Israel for merely existing, obviously building nukes for that purpose, funding & operating terrorism worldwide (hence Soleimani hit), normalizing "Death to America" chants nationwide, etc. Stop bullying others and others will stop sanctions.
- eindiran 7y agoWikipedia has a pretty good article article on the phrase (and its sister phrase "Death to Israel"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America As a side note, its fun to see something from Language Log on HN.
- Udik 7y agoThe article is mediocre, as it keeps saying "death to America" when the phrase means something else. Just open Google translate and paste in it: مرگ بر آمریکا
- Y-Bopinator 7y agoAustere Scholars seem to disagree.
- Bostonian 7y agoThis article provides context for the "Death to America" chants in Iran: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/death-to-america-iran-philosophy-for-40-years/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/death-to-america-iran... . "Watching in horror as thugs grabbed our blindfolded embassy staff and paraded them before the cameras, Americans instantly learned that this was a regime that had no regard for any international law, traditional diplomacy, or morality. A revived relationship and summit meetings were unthinkable; anyone who met with Iranians on their soil was a potential hostage. The crowd of angry revolutionaries chanted “Death to America,” and the Iranian parliament and other official government meetings and rallies routinely began with the chant. Not even the Soviets began their Politburo meetings like that. By 1987, the regime instituted “Death to America Day.” Their Iranian prime minister introduced the national holiday by saying, “Tomorrow will be . . . a day of God on which America should tremble . . . the day when the arch-Satan will be placed under our feet.”"