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Id argue Microsofts strong suit here is making themselves look competitive. During the web server wars Apache reigned supreme, until the numbers shifted in fav

Id argue Microsofts strong suit here is making themselves look competitive. During the web server wars Apache reigned supreme, until the numbers shifted in favour of IIS which overtook Apache for a time. Was this a better product Apache was fending off? no. Microsoft had paid hosting providers to park web domains and registrations on IIS servers so Netcraft would finger them as #1. now we have Azure and its the same thing all over again. Azure Cloud has lots of tenancy, but these numbers I suspect are bogus. Azure runs Office 365, Exchange, Bing, and Xbox Live assets as well, and these are all "tenants." MS also bundles discounts for business critical things like desktop and server licenses into accepting Azure credits, so its likely many of these tenants are on paper only.

smiljo 7y ago
I don't think we can tell for sure before they start releasing numbers for cloud proper. Both Azure and GCP are problematic in that regard (see the acrobatics that Stratechery was going through while trying to deduce GCP numbers). That being said, they've been closing the feature gap, and have shown themselves able to pick up large contracts (controversy over JEDI notwitstanding), so the market certainly seems more competitive than a couple of years ago. As for factoring discounts etc. into cloud numbers, I confess that I don't have a good answer.
jeromebaek 7y ago
Azure doesn't run O365, Exchange, Bing, or Xbox Live. Please stop spreading misinformation. (I work at MS.)
- shantly 7y ago
  It doesn't run or host any part of those? > Azure runs Office 365, Exchange, Bing, and Xbox Live assets as well I didn't take "runs [...] assets" to mean runs the entire thing.
  - oldmanhorton 7y ago
    Bits and bobs run on top of pure azure, and some infra is definitely shared, but anything cloudy that came up around the same time as or before azure (like Bing and o365) used and for the most part still uses their own data centers and deployment tech.
- webboynews 7y ago
  A brave Microsoft guy who calls out bullshit like it should be. Respect and good luck
- whytai 7y ago
  They hated him, because he said the truth. Azure also does not run sharepoint, teams, and it didn't run skype.
- tallanvor 7y ago
  O365 workloads are distributed across a number of environments. While Exchange mostly lives one its own hardware, SPO is very distributed now - it still has its own hardware, but also has a lot of data and services that run in Azure. And O365 is very dependent on AAD.
  - jeromebaek 7y ago
    This is all true, but it’s a far cry from OP’s statement
randomfool 7y ago
The exec who was proudly in charge of those IIS shenanigans is now in charge of Azure (Guthrie).
tbyehl 7y ago
My recollection is that IIS marketshare started falling when domain parking became a thing. Particularly once the registrars got involved. IIS was always a good web server. Classic ASP had unique ways of shooting yourself in the foot... but so does everything else. And in those olden days a retail box of NT Server barely cost more than a Stronghold license.

smiljo 7y ago

I don't think we can tell for sure before they start releasing numbers for cloud proper. Both Azure and GCP are problematic in that regard (see the acrobatics that Stratechery was going through while trying to deduce GCP numbers). That being said, they've been closing the feature gap, and have shown themselves able to pick up large contracts (controversy over JEDI notwitstanding), so the market certainly seems more competitive than a couple of years ago. As for factoring discounts etc. into cloud numbers, I confess that I don't have a good answer.

jeromebaek 7y ago

Azure doesn't run O365, Exchange, Bing, or Xbox Live. Please stop spreading misinformation. (I work at MS.)

shantly 7y ago
It doesn't run or host any part of those? > Azure runs Office 365, Exchange, Bing, and Xbox Live assets as well I didn't take "runs [...] assets" to mean runs the entire thing.
- oldmanhorton 7y ago
  Bits and bobs run on top of pure azure, and some infra is definitely shared, but anything cloudy that came up around the same time as or before azure (like Bing and o365) used and for the most part still uses their own data centers and deployment tech.
webboynews 7y ago
A brave Microsoft guy who calls out bullshit like it should be. Respect and good luck
whytai 7y ago
They hated him, because he said the truth. Azure also does not run sharepoint, teams, and it didn't run skype.
tallanvor 7y ago
O365 workloads are distributed across a number of environments. While Exchange mostly lives one its own hardware, SPO is very distributed now - it still has its own hardware, but also has a lot of data and services that run in Azure. And O365 is very dependent on AAD.
- jeromebaek 7y ago
  This is all true, but it’s a far cry from OP’s statement

randomfool 7y ago

The exec who was proudly in charge of those IIS shenanigans is now in charge of Azure (Guthrie).

tbyehl 7y ago

My recollection is that IIS marketshare started falling when domain parking became a thing. Particularly once the registrars got involved. IIS was always a good web server. Classic ASP had unique ways of shooting yourself in the foot... but so does everything else. And in those olden days a retail box of NT Server barely cost more than a Stronghold license.