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Apple TV+ is so locked down with DRM that you can't even easily take a screenshot from a show and share it on social media. Shows on Netflix, Disney+, etc have

Apple TV+ is so locked down with DRM that you can't even easily take a screenshot from a show and share it on social media. Shows on Netflix, Disney+, etc have huge traction because people have got excited about them and talked about them online. I've really enjoyed For All Mankind, but looking on twitter there's almost no fan base talking about it. Contrast with Ronald D. Moore's previous sci fi hit: the 2000s reboot of Battlestar Galactica. There were free to watch webisodes, a lot was done to encourage and enable a fan community. It does feel like Apple are so obsessed with the IP that they're missing that having fans and the constellation of content that people will just go off and make because they're excited about a show is crucial to their success.

Despegar 7y ago
There's no fan community yet because the service just launched and it's starting from zero subscribers. The 1 year trial requires a hardware purchase, so that will only start to build a critical mass over the next year or so. I don't think it has anything to do with DRM.
- Krasnol 7y ago
  Hardware nay be one thing, content is another one. See Disney+ and Mandalorian.
  - stanmancan 7y ago
    Disney+ has decades of content and a giant world wide fan base already which is a big incentive to sign up. Apple TV is starting from scratch.
    - setpatchaddress 7y ago
      To emphasize: Disney has 90 years of back catalog, including a ridiculous number of pop culture touchstones dating back that far.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - ianai 7y ago
        Meanwhile, Apple has billions in cash on hand. I hope they open their platform up some though, or they need to make some very compelling shows. We’re talking enough for a hardware purchase in a household with no other iOS devices present. If anyone has the resources it’s them.
        thewebcount 7y ago
        You don’t need to buy any Apple hardware to sign up. You can watch on the web or even Roku or Samsung TVs.
        ianai 7y ago
        Doesn’t change the fact they have all the resources to hire all the best talent! If I were them I’d be making the second season of Firefly and anything else with wide interest like that.
        dingo_bat 7y ago
        How do I watch it on my Galaxy phone?
    - Krasnol 7y ago
      The fanbase OP was talking about is talking about the new content though. Apples new content is meh.
    - daveFNbuck 7y ago
      The only reason I'm interested in Disney+ is all the social media buzz around baby Yoda. I can't name a single reason to sign up for Apple TV.
natch 7y ago
You can take screenshots of Netflix shows? Which platform?
- Ralfp 7y ago
  No built-in mechanism but I’ve had zero problem using system’s screenshot feature to catch interesting scenes and share those with others.
- wtdo 7y ago
  I just tried it on every platform I have access to; Android, Linux, Macos, Windows and Chromebook. I was able to take a screenshot of a show playing on Netflix on every one.
  - JustSomeNobody 7y ago
    Doesn’t work on iOS 13.3. Just get a black screen with the CC text. Doesn’t this fly in the face of the fair use doctrine?
    - colejohnson66 7y ago
      Fair use is not a right; it’s a defense. You don’t have a right to use materials for educational purposes. What happens is: you’re sued and you argue that your usage was fair use. Because of that distinction, you technically have no right to take screenshots of copyrighted media. Side note: the reason for this distinction is that there’s no set criteria for fair use. Some people say there’s the “10 second rule” or whatever, but they’re wrong.
      - Jamwinner 7y ago
        Your distinction is tortured. You absolutely have a right to do things there is a defense for.
        jbeam 7y ago
        It’s not tortured. You may have the right under the law, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the private service needs to make it easy for you.
StuffedParrot 7y ago
> Apple TV+ is so locked down with DRM that you can't even easily take a screenshot from a show and share it on social media. This seems incredibly blind. Do they realize how much culture spreads via gifs these days? If anything exporting clips and screenshots should come built-in.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  The rights holders probably wouldn’t like that.
  - twobat 7y ago
    It's probably the lawyers that have a say in this.
    - 29083011397778 7y ago
      To the best of my understanding, Apple TV+ is entirely Apple original content. Considering their hard-line stance re: the original iPhone and carrier demands, wouldn't they be able to make the same requirements here?
GeekyBear 7y ago
For all Mankind combines the attention to period detail of Chernobyl with great character drama and a really fascinating alternate history of the space race and the American political system. The alternate history details even manage to be smart, for instance, minor spoiler, a female cosmonaught leads a Russian moon landing and the US ratifies the ERA in response. It's good stuff.
ngcc_hk 7y ago
Still remember listen to the podcast on driving to work. Lost the first 8 podcast as others now come with the dvd but not the first 8 nor the pilot run.

Despegar 7y ago

There's no fan community yet because the service just launched and it's starting from zero subscribers. The 1 year trial requires a hardware purchase, so that will only start to build a critical mass over the next year or so. I don't think it has anything to do with DRM.

Krasnol 7y ago
Hardware nay be one thing, content is another one. See Disney+ and Mandalorian.
- stanmancan 7y ago
  Disney+ has decades of content and a giant world wide fan base already which is a big incentive to sign up. Apple TV is starting from scratch.
  - setpatchaddress 7y ago
    To emphasize: Disney has 90 years of back catalog, including a ridiculous number of pop culture touchstones dating back that far.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - ianai 7y ago
      Meanwhile, Apple has billions in cash on hand. I hope they open their platform up some though, or they need to make some very compelling shows. We’re talking enough for a hardware purchase in a household with no other iOS devices present. If anyone has the resources it’s them.
      - thewebcount 7y ago
        You don’t need to buy any Apple hardware to sign up. You can watch on the web or even Roku or Samsung TVs.
        ianai 7y ago
        Doesn’t change the fact they have all the resources to hire all the best talent! If I were them I’d be making the second season of Firefly and anything else with wide interest like that.
        dingo_bat 7y ago
        How do I watch it on my Galaxy phone?
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    The fanbase OP was talking about is talking about the new content though. Apples new content is meh.
  - daveFNbuck 7y ago
    The only reason I'm interested in Disney+ is all the social media buzz around baby Yoda. I can't name a single reason to sign up for Apple TV.

natch 7y ago

You can take screenshots of Netflix shows? Which platform?

Ralfp 7y ago
No built-in mechanism but I’ve had zero problem using system’s screenshot feature to catch interesting scenes and share those with others.
wtdo 7y ago
I just tried it on every platform I have access to; Android, Linux, Macos, Windows and Chromebook. I was able to take a screenshot of a show playing on Netflix on every one.
- JustSomeNobody 7y ago
  Doesn’t work on iOS 13.3. Just get a black screen with the CC text. Doesn’t this fly in the face of the fair use doctrine?
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    Fair use is not a right; it’s a defense. You don’t have a right to use materials for educational purposes. What happens is: you’re sued and you argue that your usage was fair use. Because of that distinction, you technically have no right to take screenshots of copyrighted media. Side note: the reason for this distinction is that there’s no set criteria for fair use. Some people say there’s the “10 second rule” or whatever, but they’re wrong.
    - Jamwinner 7y ago
      Your distinction is tortured. You absolutely have a right to do things there is a defense for.
      - jbeam 7y ago
        It’s not tortured. You may have the right under the law, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the private service needs to make it easy for you.

StuffedParrot 7y ago

> Apple TV+ is so locked down with DRM that you can't even easily take a screenshot from a show and share it on social media. This seems incredibly blind. Do they realize how much culture spreads via gifs these days? If anything exporting clips and screenshots should come built-in.

colejohnson66 7y ago
The rights holders probably wouldn’t like that.
- twobat 7y ago
  It's probably the lawyers that have a say in this.
  - 29083011397778 7y ago
    To the best of my understanding, Apple TV+ is entirely Apple original content. Considering their hard-line stance re: the original iPhone and carrier demands, wouldn't they be able to make the same requirements here?

GeekyBear 7y ago

For all Mankind combines the attention to period detail of Chernobyl with great character drama and a really fascinating alternate history of the space race and the American political system. The alternate history details even manage to be smart, for instance, minor spoiler, a female cosmonaught leads a Russian moon landing and the US ratifies the ERA in response. It's good stuff.

ngcc_hk 7y ago

Still remember listen to the podcast on driving to work. Lost the first 8 podcast as others now come with the dvd but not the first 8 nor the pilot run.