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So the MBA's arent responsible for the people they manage? Or are the engineers rogue and answer to no one at Boeing?

• ryguytilidie 7y ago
  "how could you say we're really tribalistic and blame mbas for everything? Are you implying they werent 100% responsible and that engineers MIGHT have shared in the blame slightly? hahaha." Well this, if nothing else, certainly proved my original point?
• cjblomqvist 7y ago
  The point is not that it's completely the other way around. It's that it's not black nor white, but rather gray. In other words, engineers also have responsibility, as well as management.
  • TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
    It's management's job to manage. That's the definition of management - motivating, steering, and directing teams and organisations. If engineers are doing unsatisfactory work, it's management's responsibility to recognise the problem and fix it - whether that means finding better engineers, or developing better systems and processes for motivation, direction, quality control and oversight, or simply communicating strategy and culture more clearly. Of course here the subtext is that "tribal" engineers were just as responsible for Boeing's many recent failures as the C-suite were. And that's a particularly toxic and dishonest view, because we know from records that engineers were desperately trying to fix the 737 Max issues, while senior management were desperately putting short-term profits ahead of long-term consequences - with fatal results. There is no "also" here. The suggestion that there might be is a naked attempt to displace blame and rewrite history.