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> There’s evidence of really quite disturbing experiments on American voters, manipulating them with fear-based messaging, targeting the most vulnerable, that s

> There’s evidence of really quite disturbing experiments on American voters, manipulating them with fear-based messaging, targeting the most vulnerable, that seems to be continuing. Ironically, it's not clear which party they re referring to

happytoexplain 7y ago
Isn't she explicitly not referring to only one party? If she is, why is it ironic that it's not clear which?
- buboard 7y ago
  > The documents reveal a much clearer idea of what actually happened in the 2016 US presidential election, which has a huge bearing on what will happen in 2020. It’s the same people involved who we know are building on these same techniques,” she said I m confused, were the Democrats being accused of using manipulative social media ad campaigns in 2016?
  - filoleg 7y ago
    Not sure, but they definitely did it in 2012, back when it was considered cool and forward-looking, to the point of bragging about it in interviews[0]. I don’t blame them for doing it at all, but i definitely feel uneasy about a lot of democrats blaming 2016 elections on cambridge analytica and acting like their party didn’t do it themselves, while also bragging about it publicly. Note: I neither support nor am affiliated with the republican party whatsoever. I also don’t think that cambridge analytica scandal affected the 2016 election outcome in any significant way. 0. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scandal-trump-election-obama-2012/ https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-...
  - StuffedParrot 7y ago
    Do you accuse people of the obvious a lot? Because manipulative ads seem to be the lingua franca of us politics.
    - buboard 7y ago
      Not accusing anyone
baq 7y ago
Nothing ironic about everyone doing it.
- ianai 7y ago
  Actually at this point the game theoretic best move for all parties is to be as manipulative as possible. To change back to a pre-manipulation equilibrium requires overriding effort against these tactics from all players. I’m treating the hostile sources/interests as outside the game in that examination.
StuffedParrot 7y ago
Not ironic at all! If I were a foreign entity pushing for bilateral agreements I would seed paranoia and doubt everywhere I could. The degree of explicit control that comes out of this manipulation is miniscule compared to its destabilizing effects on political focus.
WillPostForFood 7y ago
Fear based political messaging has always been the norm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU

happytoexplain 7y ago

Isn't she explicitly not referring to only one party? If she is, why is it ironic that it's not clear which?

buboard 7y ago
> The documents reveal a much clearer idea of what actually happened in the 2016 US presidential election, which has a huge bearing on what will happen in 2020. It’s the same people involved who we know are building on these same techniques,” she said I m confused, were the Democrats being accused of using manipulative social media ad campaigns in 2016?
- filoleg 7y ago
  Not sure, but they definitely did it in 2012, back when it was considered cool and forward-looking, to the point of bragging about it in interviews[0]. I don’t blame them for doing it at all, but i definitely feel uneasy about a lot of democrats blaming 2016 elections on cambridge analytica and acting like their party didn’t do it themselves, while also bragging about it publicly. Note: I neither support nor am affiliated with the republican party whatsoever. I also don’t think that cambridge analytica scandal affected the 2016 election outcome in any significant way. 0. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scandal-trump-election-obama-2012/ https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-...
- StuffedParrot 7y ago
  Do you accuse people of the obvious a lot? Because manipulative ads seem to be the lingua franca of us politics.
  - buboard 7y ago
    Not accusing anyone

baq 7y ago

Nothing ironic about everyone doing it.

ianai 7y ago
Actually at this point the game theoretic best move for all parties is to be as manipulative as possible. To change back to a pre-manipulation equilibrium requires overriding effort against these tactics from all players. I’m treating the hostile sources/interests as outside the game in that examination.

StuffedParrot 7y ago

Not ironic at all! If I were a foreign entity pushing for bilateral agreements I would seed paranoia and doubt everywhere I could. The degree of explicit control that comes out of this manipulation is miniscule compared to its destabilizing effects on political focus.

WillPostForFood 7y ago

Fear based political messaging has always been the norm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU