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Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, wh

Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold... But climate change is a hoax, right?

haunter 7y ago
I mean I live in Eastern Europe too, Hungary and it's -7c now. No snow but everything is frozen. I don't think our local experiences are a good indicator. >we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months I'm curious, do you have any data source about that? -30c for several months sounds really extreme
- skilled 7y ago
  Why would you ask me for data when you can look that up for yourself? I speak from experience.
  - exdsq 7y ago
    Maybe in Siberia? I can’t find anything for, say, Ukraine to suggest it averaged -30 for months
  - bureaucrat 7y ago
    >I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. Where? In your imagination? https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148642/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Kyiv-Zhuliany-International-Airport-Ukraine https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148642/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148509/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Ellinik%C3%B3n-Airport-Greece https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148509/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148455/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Belgrade-Nikola-Tesla-Airport-Serbia https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148455/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148594/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Loshitsa-Minsk-International-1-Belarus https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148594/1990/Historical-Weather-...
    - nl 7y ago
      Charitable, Ufa in Russia gets pretty close: https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148894/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Ufa-International-Airport-Russia https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148894/1990/Historical-Weather-...
      - exdsq 7y ago
        And that is litterally as east in Europe one can go - I honestly didn’t realise how far into Russia you can go before crossing the Ural Mountains.
        singularity2001 7y ago
        Temperature rising ~2°C/century: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Temperature+in+ufa https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Temperature+in+ufa linear trend: 0.021 °C/yr±0.016 °C/yr (48 yr/°C) low: -47 °C 1979 | average high: | 35 °C average low: | -35 °C | high: 39 °C 1952, ...
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't be a jerk in HN comments. If you have correct information, it's enough to provide that without crossing into personal attack. These threads are flamewar prone enough as it is.
      - skilled 7y ago
        Maybe I should have prefaced my last sentence in the original comment with a fat /sarcasm tag. I know it's a sensitive topic but I appreciate you pointing out the insensitivity in my reply.
foopdoopfoop 7y ago
Weather still isn't climate and while the abstract states their model detect climate change within a very small time-frame (a day), it still requires global data to do so. I'm sure the converse is true too and that models should be able to detect climate change locally within a large time-frame.
loblollyboy 7y ago
I “feel” the same way about the east coast of the US, but I know that is super unscientific - comparing impressions as an adult to childhood memories, but I really don’t recall 70 degree days being routine. Now I live in the upper midwest, I learned in some class that the upper Midwest of the US was one of the few places on Earth not warming on average (actually anomalously cold) but this winter is like one of the “old” east coast winters, I just stepped out in my shorts and flip-flops
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  I think Buffalo specifically
tiatia 7y ago
Plural of anecdote is not data. Taking an educated guess: I am likely better qualified to make statements about "climate change" and I would always refrain from such statements due to the complexity of the subject. But I could agree on using the "precautionary principle" and try to limit CO2 emissions. The current hysteria is not helpful but helpful would be building Thorium and 4th generation nuclear reactors. Both may lead to another kind of hysteria, at least in Europe.
kmlx 7y ago
weather isn't climate
- skilled 7y ago
  climate /ˈklʌɪmət/ noun the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period. "our cold, wet climate"
  - kmlx 7y ago
    how can one copy paste an explanation without reading it? "over a long period of time." hot outside right now != climate is hot.
    - skilled 7y ago
      How is 25 years not a long time?
deith 7y ago
Climate change is not a hoax. Man-made climate change, on the other hand…

haunter 7y ago

I mean I live in Eastern Europe too, Hungary and it's -7c now. No snow but everything is frozen. I don't think our local experiences are a good indicator. >we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months I'm curious, do you have any data source about that? -30c for several months sounds really extreme

skilled 7y ago
Why would you ask me for data when you can look that up for yourself? I speak from experience.
- exdsq 7y ago
  Maybe in Siberia? I can’t find anything for, say, Ukraine to suggest it averaged -30 for months
- bureaucrat 7y ago
  >I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. Where? In your imagination? https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148642/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Kyiv-Zhuliany-International-Airport-Ukraine https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148642/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148509/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Ellinik%C3%B3n-Airport-Greece https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148509/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148455/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Belgrade-Nikola-Tesla-Airport-Serbia https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148455/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148594/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Loshitsa-Minsk-International-1-Belarus https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148594/1990/Historical-Weather-...
  - nl 7y ago
    Charitable, Ufa in Russia gets pretty close: https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148894/1990/Historical-Weather-during-1990-at-Ufa-International-Airport-Russia https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148894/1990/Historical-Weather-...
    - exdsq 7y ago
      And that is litterally as east in Europe one can go - I honestly didn’t realise how far into Russia you can go before crossing the Ural Mountains.
      - singularity2001 7y ago
        Temperature rising ~2°C/century: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Temperature+in+ufa https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Temperature+in+ufa linear trend: 0.021 °C/yr±0.016 °C/yr (48 yr/°C) low: -47 °C 1979 | average high: | 35 °C average low: | -35 °C | high: 39 °C 1952, ...
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't be a jerk in HN comments. If you have correct information, it's enough to provide that without crossing into personal attack. These threads are flamewar prone enough as it is.
    - skilled 7y ago
      Maybe I should have prefaced my last sentence in the original comment with a fat /sarcasm tag. I know it's a sensitive topic but I appreciate you pointing out the insensitivity in my reply.

foopdoopfoop 7y ago

Weather still isn't climate and while the abstract states their model detect climate change within a very small time-frame (a day), it still requires global data to do so. I'm sure the converse is true too and that models should be able to detect climate change locally within a large time-frame.

loblollyboy 7y ago

I “feel” the same way about the east coast of the US, but I know that is super unscientific - comparing impressions as an adult to childhood memories, but I really don’t recall 70 degree days being routine. Now I live in the upper midwest, I learned in some class that the upper Midwest of the US was one of the few places on Earth not warming on average (actually anomalously cold) but this winter is like one of the “old” east coast winters, I just stepped out in my shorts and flip-flops

selimthegrim 7y ago
I think Buffalo specifically

tiatia 7y ago

Plural of anecdote is not data. Taking an educated guess: I am likely better qualified to make statements about "climate change" and I would always refrain from such statements due to the complexity of the subject. But I could agree on using the "precautionary principle" and try to limit CO2 emissions. The current hysteria is not helpful but helpful would be building Thorium and 4th generation nuclear reactors. Both may lead to another kind of hysteria, at least in Europe.

kmlx 7y ago

weather isn't climate

skilled 7y ago
climate /ˈklʌɪmət/ noun the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period. "our cold, wet climate"
- kmlx 7y ago
  how can one copy paste an explanation without reading it? "over a long period of time." hot outside right now != climate is hot.
  - skilled 7y ago
    How is 25 years not a long time?

deith 7y ago

Climate change is not a hoax. Man-made climate change, on the other hand…