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The export ban is on the software? Not the algorithm itself? And would it be broad enough that all AI and QI frameworks like PyTorch, Tensorflow and Qiskit woul

The export ban is on the software? Not the algorithm itself? And would it be broad enough that all AI and QI frameworks like PyTorch, Tensorflow and Qiskit would fall under its purview. These restrictions seem to flow from a mental model that still views software as a product purchased in a shrink-wrapped box. Rather than the services based model currently extant.

grepfru_it 7y ago
That is the point, to delay the adversary from gaining access to completed technology. An example is foreign adversaries purchasing PS3s with Linux to quickly access cheap computing power. Whether frameworks are at risk is limited to the wording of the ban and then the final determination comes from a judge hearing the case. The chilling effects are real and its possible framework development may very well be hampered due to the unknowns you have pointed out in your post
- 616c 7y ago
  The PS3 thing is a contrived example or this really was happening?
  - karmelapple 7y ago
    Real! Check out number 1 here: https://www.visualcompliance.com/blog/?p=185 https://www.visualcompliance.com/blog/?p=185
    - 616c 7y ago
      Cool, thanks. I will check it out!
nl 7y ago
And would it be broad enough that all AI and QI frameworks like PyTorch, Tensorflow and Qiskit would fall under its purview. No. They look like they are targeting a specific piece of commercial software.
anonu 7y ago
An algorithm is an idea and it's hard to enforce ideas from spreading. Similar to how it is difficult to patent an algorithm. In the patent world you would have better luck tying that algo to a machine and patenting that. I think the same concept applies here. Software is the machine that embodies the algorithm. Its tied to a company and to dollars. What this will also mean is that startups that work in this space will need to watch out who they get funding from. If the VC is not US-based, CFIUS oversight may kick in.

grepfru_it 7y ago

That is the point, to delay the adversary from gaining access to completed technology. An example is foreign adversaries purchasing PS3s with Linux to quickly access cheap computing power. Whether frameworks are at risk is limited to the wording of the ban and then the final determination comes from a judge hearing the case. The chilling effects are real and its possible framework development may very well be hampered due to the unknowns you have pointed out in your post

616c 7y ago
The PS3 thing is a contrived example or this really was happening?
- karmelapple 7y ago
  Real! Check out number 1 here: https://www.visualcompliance.com/blog/?p=185 https://www.visualcompliance.com/blog/?p=185
  - 616c 7y ago
    Cool, thanks. I will check it out!

nl 7y ago

And would it be broad enough that all AI and QI frameworks like PyTorch, Tensorflow and Qiskit would fall under its purview. No. They look like they are targeting a specific piece of commercial software.

anonu 7y ago

An algorithm is an idea and it's hard to enforce ideas from spreading. Similar to how it is difficult to patent an algorithm. In the patent world you would have better luck tying that algo to a machine and patenting that. I think the same concept applies here. Software is the machine that embodies the algorithm. Its tied to a company and to dollars. What this will also mean is that startups that work in this space will need to watch out who they get funding from. If the VC is not US-based, CFIUS oversight may kick in.