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It already exists, it's your phone. There are some limits in linking it to existing identifiers like names or SSNs. However, that doesn't matter because due to

It already exists, it's your phone. There are some limits in linking it to existing identifiers like names or SSNs. However, that doesn't matter because due to its nature, the phone leaves a trail. Any serious abuse can be punished.

q_andrew 7y ago
India has a sim card system like this, but it is actually even less secure and shockingly easy to game. That's not even counting for the fact that not everyone has a cell phone (a minority, but still exists).
- toohotatopic 7y ago
  How do you game it apart from stealing a phone? It may be easy to get another identity but that's a feature. If somebody commits a serious crime, the joined location of the phones will reveal the true identity unless somebody invests an amount of effort that's equal to buying a new passport.
  - judge2020 7y ago
    I imagine sim swapping is a thing over there as well, maybe even easier to do than in the US.
    - toohotatopic 7y ago
      So you get several identities. How do you game the system? Intelligent agencies have failed to keep their phone usage cleanly separated. It's not that easy. E.g. if you want to avoid progressive income taxes by registering several companies, your burner phone stands out because it doesn't have any other contacts. That will be further investigated. Then you need the name of a living person who doesn't use a mobile phone to register it because otherwise, he would operate two phones at two different places. Another red flag.
gondo 7y ago
This is a terrible, TERRIBLE idea. Especially for people who move a lot. Phone numbers get reused. I am currently maintaining 4 SIM cards just to keep services relaying on them active. About 2 months ago I forgot to recharge one of those SIM cards and was locked out of one of my bank accounts.
- toohotatopic 7y ago
  Why don't you register all services with one SIM and use a Dual-SIM phone to get cheap rates on another card? Since we are talking about introducing a new identity system, isn't it easier to resolve the problems you mentioned than to introduce something new?
  - gondo 7y ago
    Because some services (banks) restrict phone numbers to only local (same country) ones.

q_andrew 7y ago

India has a sim card system like this, but it is actually even less secure and shockingly easy to game. That's not even counting for the fact that not everyone has a cell phone (a minority, but still exists).

toohotatopic 7y ago
How do you game it apart from stealing a phone? It may be easy to get another identity but that's a feature. If somebody commits a serious crime, the joined location of the phones will reveal the true identity unless somebody invests an amount of effort that's equal to buying a new passport.
- judge2020 7y ago
  I imagine sim swapping is a thing over there as well, maybe even easier to do than in the US.
  - toohotatopic 7y ago
    So you get several identities. How do you game the system? Intelligent agencies have failed to keep their phone usage cleanly separated. It's not that easy. E.g. if you want to avoid progressive income taxes by registering several companies, your burner phone stands out because it doesn't have any other contacts. That will be further investigated. Then you need the name of a living person who doesn't use a mobile phone to register it because otherwise, he would operate two phones at two different places. Another red flag.

gondo 7y ago

This is a terrible, TERRIBLE idea. Especially for people who move a lot. Phone numbers get reused. I am currently maintaining 4 SIM cards just to keep services relaying on them active. About 2 months ago I forgot to recharge one of those SIM cards and was locked out of one of my bank accounts.

toohotatopic 7y ago
Why don't you register all services with one SIM and use a Dual-SIM phone to get cheap rates on another card? Since we are talking about introducing a new identity system, isn't it easier to resolve the problems you mentioned than to introduce something new?
- gondo 7y ago
  Because some services (banks) restrict phone numbers to only local (same country) ones.