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Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been complete

by jariel 7y ago

Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'. You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an institution of higher learning or some other org.. I hate to break it to you but such super liberal ideals are not normative, and you don't really have a right to condemn any group which concludes that 'porn' is unbecoming of someone within their own organisation. I suggest if said 'emailers' were aware of the mitigating circumstances, they'd feel differently about it; they couldn't have known they were moralising on actual victims.

scotty79 7y ago
Sending emails (and any other reaction to public availability of the videos) was what actually did the lasting harm. If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. It just explains why you did wrong and why you behaved evil.
- elfexec 7y ago
  > If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. All morality results in harm. Good does harm to evil - that's the point. Now what is good and what is evil? It's different from people to people, culture to culture. Not only that, it changes with time.
  - scotty79 7y ago
    > All morality results in harm. Absolutely not. Helping others is a moral action and results in no harm (when done properly). > Good does harm to evil - that's the point. No. The point of mortality is to prevent harm done by evil and prevent proliferation or even existance of evil. Harming evil is just a tool to deter it. Not particularly effective tool strategically. > Now what is good and what is evil? It's different from people to people, culture to culture. Not only that, it changes with time. Also tools used by good and evil change with time. Even some tools switch sides. Shaming prostitutes was probably effective tool of good when your village of 100 people was threatened by spread of incurable, untreatable, debilitating sexually transmitted disease. Shaming nowadays is mostly a tool of evil bigotery.
- wruza 7y ago
  Nope. Public relation to this did it. Sending emails did nothing, just like a person who calls the police doesn’t imprison or even judge a potential suspect.
  - scotty79 7y ago
    What about citizens outing gays in countries where homosexuality is a crime? Don't they judge and imprison their neighbours in some sense?
ck425 7y ago
It might not be normative in parts of the world (even the western world) but I still have the right to hold that view and to condemn those who emailed to try destroy the woman's career as immoral (evil is a terrible term). Regardless of your disagreement with my view I have the right to hold it. And based on recent history I'd bet I'm on the right side of history here.
- burntoutfire 7y ago
  Maybe the emailers wanted to maintain the reputation of the law school? I mean, if a law school becomes known for graduating porn actresses (even if both ex and amateur), it's reputation could diminish somewhat. Isn't there something in the law about lawyers needing to be of solid integrity (decent upstanding citizens)? Taking money to have sex with stragers while agreeing to be filmed could be seen as a demonstration of poor morals by many.
- jariel 7y ago
  You definitely have the right to have your view of her behaviour, but I think you probably have to respect that others see it differently. Also you're probably not on the rights side of history. I think we are becoming more tolerant of things that people do in their personal lives, but I don't think we're going to see porn normalised. The easiest way for attractive young women (or men?) to make money is porn, and I don't suggest that any of us want our 18 year olds taking on that hobby to pay for whatever. While most people would be 'more forgiving' I don't think for a second that most people would support their kids doing porn for cash. Just because there's movement in some areas we may see as 'progress' doesn't mean that the needle keeps moving that way, nor does it imply things are black and white. We're just starting to understand the social implications of young people doing porn for a few dollars at age 18 and having it follow them for the rest of our lives, I think we may start to develop a more nuanced view as time goes on.

by jariel 7y ago

scotty79 7y ago

Sending emails (and any other reaction to public availability of the videos) was what actually did the lasting harm. If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. It just explains why you did wrong and why you behaved evil.

elfexec 7y ago
> If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. All morality results in harm. Good does harm to evil - that's the point. Now what is good and what is evil? It's different from people to people, culture to culture. Not only that, it changes with time.
- scotty79 7y ago
  > All morality results in harm. Absolutely not. Helping others is a moral action and results in no harm (when done properly). > Good does harm to evil - that's the point. No. The point of mortality is to prevent harm done by evil and prevent proliferation or even existance of evil. Harming evil is just a tool to deter it. Not particularly effective tool strategically. > Now what is good and what is evil? It's different from people to people, culture to culture. Not only that, it changes with time. Also tools used by good and evil change with time. Even some tools switch sides. Shaming prostitutes was probably effective tool of good when your village of 100 people was threatened by spread of incurable, untreatable, debilitating sexually transmitted disease. Shaming nowadays is mostly a tool of evil bigotery.
wruza 7y ago
Nope. Public relation to this did it. Sending emails did nothing, just like a person who calls the police doesn’t imprison or even judge a potential suspect.
- scotty79 7y ago
  What about citizens outing gays in countries where homosexuality is a crime? Don't they judge and imprison their neighbours in some sense?

ck425 7y ago

It might not be normative in parts of the world (even the western world) but I still have the right to hold that view and to condemn those who emailed to try destroy the woman's career as immoral (evil is a terrible term). Regardless of your disagreement with my view I have the right to hold it. And based on recent history I'd bet I'm on the right side of history here.

burntoutfire 7y ago
Maybe the emailers wanted to maintain the reputation of the law school? I mean, if a law school becomes known for graduating porn actresses (even if both ex and amateur), it's reputation could diminish somewhat. Isn't there something in the law about lawyers needing to be of solid integrity (decent upstanding citizens)? Taking money to have sex with stragers while agreeing to be filmed could be seen as a demonstration of poor morals by many.
jariel 7y ago
You definitely have the right to have your view of her behaviour, but I think you probably have to respect that others see it differently. Also you're probably not on the rights side of history. I think we are becoming more tolerant of things that people do in their personal lives, but I don't think we're going to see porn normalised. The easiest way for attractive young women (or men?) to make money is porn, and I don't suggest that any of us want our 18 year olds taking on that hobby to pay for whatever. While most people would be 'more forgiving' I don't think for a second that most people would support their kids doing porn for cash. Just because there's movement in some areas we may see as 'progress' doesn't mean that the needle keeps moving that way, nor does it imply things are black and white. We're just starting to understand the social implications of young people doing porn for a few dollars at age 18 and having it follow them for the rest of our lives, I think we may start to develop a more nuanced view as time goes on.