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Do you have a harder time recognising black or women faces ? If you as human have no more problem, then your argument fail. Or explained otherwise: then don't

by di4na 7y ago

Do you have a harder time recognising black or women faces ? If you as human have no more problem, then your argument fail. Or explained otherwise: then don't use techniques that depends on lightning reflection. The fact you use techniques that needs high lightning reflection means that you only care about the result with white faces and/or only tested fitness with white faces.... which is the piece main argument.

jevgeni 7y ago
Boy, our eyes sure are racist for using light reflection. Also, obviously the difference between the dynamic range of cameras and our eyes play a major part in technical difficulties in multi-racial facial recognition as well?
ALittleLight 7y ago
When I am recognizing a face, that face is attached to a body and in a particular context (e.g. my office, or my home, etc). There are a myriad of different clues, like tone of voice, body language, scent, etc. I am not given a single still image but a video with many frames. Furthermore, the number of people I can recall on sight is probably single digit thousands. All of these are very different for facial recognition software. If I was trying to recognize a huge number of different people, who I had only ever known from still images, and all I had to recognize them were still images then yes, of course, it would be easier to recognize white men than black women for the reasons I just described. I actually don't understand how you can doubt that. Imagine two images of a black woman. In one she has makeup and in the other she doesn't. Do you doubt that these two images are more different, and therefore harder to identify as the same person, than two pictures of a man, neither of which have makeup? Do you genuinely think that the difference in facial recognition accuracy is because models aren't trained on dark skinned or female people? I'm also at a loss as to how you could use any kind of camera or image that didn't depend on the reflection of light.
- lukeschlather 7y ago
  > I'm also at a loss as to how you could use any kind of camera or image that didn't depend on the reflection of light. You're conflating "high lighting reflection" with "lighting reflection." Lighter faces reflect more light, but if you calibrate your instruments properly you can get just as much information out of a picture with less reflected light.

by di4na 7y ago

jevgeni 7y ago

Boy, our eyes sure are racist for using light reflection. Also, obviously the difference between the dynamic range of cameras and our eyes play a major part in technical difficulties in multi-racial facial recognition as well?

ALittleLight 7y ago

When I am recognizing a face, that face is attached to a body and in a particular context (e.g. my office, or my home, etc). There are a myriad of different clues, like tone of voice, body language, scent, etc. I am not given a single still image but a video with many frames. Furthermore, the number of people I can recall on sight is probably single digit thousands. All of these are very different for facial recognition software. If I was trying to recognize a huge number of different people, who I had only ever known from still images, and all I had to recognize them were still images then yes, of course, it would be easier to recognize white men than black women for the reasons I just described. I actually don't understand how you can doubt that. Imagine two images of a black woman. In one she has makeup and in the other she doesn't. Do you doubt that these two images are more different, and therefore harder to identify as the same person, than two pictures of a man, neither of which have makeup? Do you genuinely think that the difference in facial recognition accuracy is because models aren't trained on dark skinned or female people? I'm also at a loss as to how you could use any kind of camera or image that didn't depend on the reflection of light.

lukeschlather 7y ago
> I'm also at a loss as to how you could use any kind of camera or image that didn't depend on the reflection of light. You're conflating "high lighting reflection" with "lighting reflection." Lighter faces reflect more light, but if you calibrate your instruments properly you can get just as much information out of a picture with less reflected light.