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> Will you clean the bathroom? Yes. (Though I better be getting paid overtime for that weekend work if the schedule slip isn't the dev team's fault.) There is
by jarek 16y ago
> Will you clean the bathroom?
Yes. (Though I better be getting paid overtime for that weekend work if the schedule slip isn't the dev team's fault.)
There is a large difference between cleaning a bathroom in an emergency on a Friday evening and cleaning a bathroom because the boss wants to test you on a Monday morning.
Are you assuming that just because someone cleaned it when their boss forced them to as condition of continued employment, they will step up and volunteer to do it in the future rather than try to pawn it off on someone else? Are you assuming the inverse is also true?
This has very little to do with leadership, by the way.
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edit: If I come in for my first day on a Monday morning and the boss tells me that the team is scrambling to finish up a release, the toilet is backed up, and the cleaning staff won't be here until the evening, I'll look at him weird and maybe not think highly of his organizational skills, but I'd be much more likely to help than in the case of being asked to clean just to see if I am willing to put up with shit.
- alnayyir 16y ago>(Though I better be getting paid overtime for that weekend work if the schedule slip isn't the dev team's fault.) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha... catches breath ...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha Not worked long in software eh?
- jarek 16y agoLong enough to learn to say "no."
- alnayyir 16y agoIn my country, programmers work salary unless they're contractors and don't have any conception of overtime in their contracts. Maybe things are different where you are.
- jarek 16y agoI'm paid salary and I'm under the impression that's the norm. Nevertheless there is a fairly standard work week and more than one way of compensation for exceeding that.
- alnayyir 16y ago>there is a fairly standard work week and more than one way of compensation for exceeding that. I call it a raise or a promotion. Or keeping your job for doing it. You're salaried at a particular rate under the assumption that step up to the plate in case of emergency/deadline, otherwise they'd pay you less or pay you hourly. Which kind goes back to edw's anecdote about his dad. Rising to the occasion.
- jarek 16y agoAt my workplace we've been offered incentive bonuses or additional paid vacation time in addition to standard raises/promotions, but hey, whatever works for you and your employer. I doubt accepting unnecessary unrelated busywork is very strongly correlated with "rising to the occasion," unless the occasions are death marches.
- alnayyir 16y agoCrossing your wires chief. Unrelated busywork isn't what I was talking about, anymore.
- chopsueyar 16y agoRespectfully, you are kind of acting like a dick. If one weekend, the toilets back up and he has to clean up the mess and deliver a milestone, he deserves a raise or rises to sr. dev? So he gets a raise, and now he has no reason to complain if the toilet backs up once a month while he is working that weekend?
- DougBTX 16y ago> Yes. Honestly, I'm sure you'd be able to find an excuse why it would be better to leave it until Monday fore someone else to do.