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Thank you. But can we codify it in a mathematical language that can be a visual map? I chose Vedic astrology because to a certain extent the astronomy and math

Thank you. But can we codify it in a mathematical language that can be a visual map? I chose Vedic astrology because to a certain extent the astronomy and math part of it is pretty well documented and authored. How to extract the predictive pattern recognition aspects of it so the ‘intuition’ part of it can be understood?

carapace 7y ago
Cheers! > But can we codify it in a mathematical language that can be a visual map? Short answer is yes (but not in the same way as physics.) But there's no "one true" map (somewhat like how there's no "one true" programming language.) > I chose Vedic astrology because to a certain extent the astronomy and math part of it is pretty well documented and authored. Yes, but it's all made up. And all in association with a world that's long gone (or at least changed massively since then.) It's no better or worse than e.g. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Astrology isn't about the actual planets. Have you looked at Sacred Geometry? (It's just geometry, but studied with a sacred mindset.) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Sacred+Geometry&t=ffab&atb=v60-1&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Sacred+Geometry&t=ffab&atb=v60-1&i... It sounds to me like you might be wanting to "mind map" psychological archetypes onto a sort of Sacred Geometry? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map ) > How to extract the predictive pattern recognition aspects of it so the ‘intuition’ part of it can be understood? There's aren't any "predictive pattern recognition aspects" in the thing itself. As scientists point out, rightly, divination is logically barren. The intuition is something the operator does, the system of astrology (or whatever) is just the markings on the dial. You can't understand intuition (if you could it would just be "thinking") only experience it. Understanding and intuition are like sight and hearing: two different but complimentary ways to sense/model the Universe. Does this help? Really, if you just want to study astrology like an anthropologist would then just read the books you have. If you want to use astrology to model the world you should instead use physics. If you want to use astrology to model the inner world then read e.g. "Golden Bough" and Jung's archetype work and his Liber Novus (aka The Red Book), and maybe "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and "The Perennial Philosophy". And then just make up your own system. It will work just as well for prediction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28Jung%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28Jung%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Religious_Experience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Religious_Exp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perennial_Philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perennial_Philosophy (It's a shame this got flagged, eh?)
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  Perhaps intuition is just fast thinking? To be able to connect bits and pieces of seemingly disparate information cogently? I love flipping the pages of The Red Book. I am charmed by Jung’s calligraphy and art. Even if I don’t understand enough High German. The entire book is a work of art.
  - carapace 7y ago
    > Perhaps intuition is just fast thinking? To be able to connect bits and pieces of seemingly disparate information cogently? That's intelligence. Intuition is more akin to a sense. It can be practiced and improved like a skill. I've never actually seen the Red Book. I did an image search though and I see what you mean. I probably should have asked you this before blathering at you, but what are you going for here? What's your motivation to study astrology? If you don't mind me asking.
    - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
      I want to understand why and how predictions work with astrology. And I want to visualize the process to better ‘see’ it..as it were..
    - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
      (Edited multiple times to add more thoughts) In Jung’s Man and his Symbols, he says that the unconsciousness is a new phenomenon...and man had relied heavily on his unconsciousness..that is now repressed. It reveals itself in dreams. And so it lingers...like a secretary taking notes and organizing them. Sometimes it comes back garbled as our dreams and not always decipherable. Writing dream journals is a good habit. I also want to write down not just dreams but also moods during eclipses and lunar cycles and match it to astrological transit charts. What if there is a pattern..on an individual level and for the general collective and the for the larger society. If there are 300 or 500k such journals...would it be possible to figure out patterns and trends. Can we do this by matching Facebook status updates or twitter or fit bit data etc? We already have so much data. How difficult would it be to match birth dates/horoscopes to available data. A social media app for tracking moods, life events and zodiac should be interesting. I hesitated to use social media to describe it but did it anyways for lack of a better term. I don’t mean to suggest that this can be a ‘product’ for generating revenue. Somethings should be beyond exploitation for money. What if we can have a window of insight into our own unconsciousness? And if there is no true free will, then we are still processing information that we are exposed to and making life decisions based on what we perceive subconsciously. On the other hand, an acceptance of astrology and code of behaviour can steer a society into predictable patterns of behaviour leading to less conflict. Think of it like a language. If in a country everyone speaks the same language, the changes for miscommunication would be much lower than in a country where there are multiple languages of communication. This language can be linguistic or mathematical or anything else. Why can’t it be astronomical or astrological?

carapace 7y ago

Cheers! > But can we codify it in a mathematical language that can be a visual map? Short answer is yes (but not in the same way as physics.) But there's no "one true" map (somewhat like how there's no "one true" programming language.) > I chose Vedic astrology because to a certain extent the astronomy and math part of it is pretty well documented and authored. Yes, but it's all made up. And all in association with a world that's long gone (or at least changed massively since then.) It's no better or worse than e.g. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Astrology isn't about the actual planets. Have you looked at Sacred Geometry? (It's just geometry, but studied with a sacred mindset.) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Sacred+Geometry&t=ffab&atb=v60-1&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Sacred+Geometry&t=ffab&atb=v60-1&i... It sounds to me like you might be wanting to "mind map" psychological archetypes onto a sort of Sacred Geometry? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map ) > How to extract the predictive pattern recognition aspects of it so the ‘intuition’ part of it can be understood? There's aren't any "predictive pattern recognition aspects" in the thing itself. As scientists point out, rightly, divination is logically barren. The intuition is something the operator does, the system of astrology (or whatever) is just the markings on the dial. You can't understand intuition (if you could it would just be "thinking") only experience it. Understanding and intuition are like sight and hearing: two different but complimentary ways to sense/model the Universe. Does this help? Really, if you just want to study astrology like an anthropologist would then just read the books you have. If you want to use astrology to model the world you should instead use physics. If you want to use astrology to model the inner world then read e.g. "Golden Bough" and Jung's archetype work and his Liber Novus (aka The Red Book), and maybe "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and "The Perennial Philosophy". And then just make up your own system. It will work just as well for prediction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28Jung%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28Jung%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Religious_Experience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Varieties_of_Religious_Exp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perennial_Philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perennial_Philosophy (It's a shame this got flagged, eh?)

jelliclesfarm 7y ago
Perhaps intuition is just fast thinking? To be able to connect bits and pieces of seemingly disparate information cogently? I love flipping the pages of The Red Book. I am charmed by Jung’s calligraphy and art. Even if I don’t understand enough High German. The entire book is a work of art.
- carapace 7y ago
  > Perhaps intuition is just fast thinking? To be able to connect bits and pieces of seemingly disparate information cogently? That's intelligence. Intuition is more akin to a sense. It can be practiced and improved like a skill. I've never actually seen the Red Book. I did an image search though and I see what you mean. I probably should have asked you this before blathering at you, but what are you going for here? What's your motivation to study astrology? If you don't mind me asking.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    I want to understand why and how predictions work with astrology. And I want to visualize the process to better ‘see’ it..as it were..
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    (Edited multiple times to add more thoughts) In Jung’s Man and his Symbols, he says that the unconsciousness is a new phenomenon...and man had relied heavily on his unconsciousness..that is now repressed. It reveals itself in dreams. And so it lingers...like a secretary taking notes and organizing them. Sometimes it comes back garbled as our dreams and not always decipherable. Writing dream journals is a good habit. I also want to write down not just dreams but also moods during eclipses and lunar cycles and match it to astrological transit charts. What if there is a pattern..on an individual level and for the general collective and the for the larger society. If there are 300 or 500k such journals...would it be possible to figure out patterns and trends. Can we do this by matching Facebook status updates or twitter or fit bit data etc? We already have so much data. How difficult would it be to match birth dates/horoscopes to available data. A social media app for tracking moods, life events and zodiac should be interesting. I hesitated to use social media to describe it but did it anyways for lack of a better term. I don’t mean to suggest that this can be a ‘product’ for generating revenue. Somethings should be beyond exploitation for money. What if we can have a window of insight into our own unconsciousness? And if there is no true free will, then we are still processing information that we are exposed to and making life decisions based on what we perceive subconsciously. On the other hand, an acceptance of astrology and code of behaviour can steer a society into predictable patterns of behaviour leading to less conflict. Think of it like a language. If in a country everyone speaks the same language, the changes for miscommunication would be much lower than in a country where there are multiple languages of communication. This language can be linguistic or mathematical or anything else. Why can’t it be astronomical or astrological?