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The obvious problem here is that in this case open source software is being used to take away other people's freedoms. So who's freedom wins out? ICE's freedom

The obvious problem here is that in this case open source software is being used to take away other people's freedoms. So who's freedom wins out? ICE's freedom to use open source code, or ICE's victims' freedom? The activists think that the victims' freedom should win, and I'd argue that's the case. ICE is using open source software to prevent other people from using open source software by locking them up. The freedom to use open source software should stop at limiting other people's freedom to use it. "Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins"

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
> The freedom to use open source software should stop at limiting other people's freedom to use it. Since the people protesting ICE's use of open source software, are trying to limit ICE's freedom to use open source software, then they should not be able to use open source software.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  Fair enough point, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the real world. It's like saying, "the guys killing Nazis are just as bad as the Nazis - they're both killing people." I mean sure, but if nobody killed the Nazis in WWII where would we be today? Or another example, kidnapping is illegal, but it's good for a police officer to "kidnap" (arrest) a kidnapper to get them stop kidnapping, right? The way your looking at it, the police officer is just as bad as the original kidnapper.
  - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
    Your example is bad because it mistakes arrest for kidnapping, when the two are different actions.
tbrownaw 7y ago
The obvious problem here is that in this case open source software is being used to take away other people's freedoms. Not really, there's no reason to consider that distinct from using it to kill people or whatever other problematic behavior. Trying to pick "bad" things to proscribe makes a license fundamentally not open.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago

> The freedom to use open source software should stop at limiting other people's freedom to use it. Since the people protesting ICE's use of open source software, are trying to limit ICE's freedom to use open source software, then they should not be able to use open source software.

Miner49er 7y ago
Fair enough point, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the real world. It's like saying, "the guys killing Nazis are just as bad as the Nazis - they're both killing people." I mean sure, but if nobody killed the Nazis in WWII where would we be today? Or another example, kidnapping is illegal, but it's good for a police officer to "kidnap" (arrest) a kidnapper to get them stop kidnapping, right? The way your looking at it, the police officer is just as bad as the original kidnapper.
- CompanionCuuube 7y ago
  Your example is bad because it mistakes arrest for kidnapping, when the two are different actions.

tbrownaw 7y ago

The obvious problem here is that in this case open source software is being used to take away other people's freedoms. Not really, there's no reason to consider that distinct from using it to kill people or whatever other problematic behavior. Trying to pick "bad" things to proscribe makes a license fundamentally not open.