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Astrology is about trying to find what your target/subject wants and creating predictions around them. You should keep predictions vague, never "predict" specif

Astrology is about trying to find what your target/subject wants and creating predictions around them. You should keep predictions vague, never "predict" specifics. It's basically the Mediumship-esque parlor trick, the difference being that you're observing stars and planets instead of communing with the dead, you have to probe and search to see what they really want. Ask leading questions, make educated assumptions, refine over time as you learn about them.

mytailorisrich 7y ago
They also tend to pass obvious or self-fulfilling advice off as 'prediction'. This is an actual prediction for Pisces about January 2020 that I've found on a British newspaper's website: " Splash out on some fashionable clothes or a new hairstyle on the 13th, when you're sure to be delighted with your new look. " Yes, if someone splashes out on new clothes and new hairstyle I'm sure that the probability of them being 'delighted' is very high even if, gasp, they do it on another day.
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  I am not interested in that kind of astrology. I want to map out the whole rules of astrology and see if a pattern emerges.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    I'm sure the astrologer who came up with that 'prediction' will be able to explain to you very seriously how (s)he followed the rules and observed the planets to discover that the 13th January has cosmic significance for Pisces and a pampering day.
    - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
      I understand that you don’t subscribe to astrology. There is no need to respond to this thread, no? I am not looking for someone to convince me or guide me. I have already decided to learn astrology. I want to use the right tools to be able to map it. It is the same if i want to learn astrology or predict human behavior. I guess thanks for your engagement, but you are not being helpful.
jelliclesfarm 7y ago
Do you have any suggestions to document it so a kind of visual map emerges as I keep adding modules to it? I am sure there is a psychology aspect to it and that’s why I am not interested in learning to predict for people...then it becomes a people pleasing thing. I want to connect to the mythology and the rules to understand why and how they emerge to form patterns
jascii 7y ago
While I personally do not believe in predictive powers of astrology, that is specifically not what the OP asks about. If you bother to read the question, you might notice the OP asks about ayurvedic (Hindu) astrology, and I don't think you can seperate the cultural relevance from the study.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
That's what it is now, but Medieval and earlier, and in the same era Islamic and Indian astrology were well respected fields of study and scholars studied it seriously. Granted they had some very wrong headed ideas on many things, not just stellar influences -- every disease was a judgement of god, doctors checking horoscopes to decide treatment, treatments that were sometimes worse than the condition, etc. Though in those times Islamic and Indian treatments were far more based in fact than those in Europe -- who mainly wouldn't consider them as they were non-christian. :) Would be interesting to try and find a real pattern in any of it (by which I specifically don't mean the type you mention, or the 3 sentences of dross once found in daily newspapers)... https://www.bl.uk/learning/cult/bodies/astrology/astrologyhome.html https://www.bl.uk/learning/cult/bodies/astrology/astrologyho...
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  Astrology hasn't fundamentally changed. Our understanding of the world has.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    Which is not the point of OP's question.
    - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
      Thank you. Why did ancient people look up at the skies and try to make sense of it..they created charts and tried to figure out their paths. A lot of astrological concepts are certainly archetypes but if you strip all that down, at the core is an attempt to understand the traffic patterns of celestial bodies and it’s impact on us. I do see the impact of weather and climate and lunar cycles in my farm and plant growth cycles. One cannot work the soil and in nature and deny that there is some kind of thread that connects earth and the skies. Someone long time ago suggested that it affects human behaviors and motivations. Romantically I can say that we are made of water and stardust and hence of course, they affect us..but surely it can also be conveyed mathematically? That’s what I want to learn about..I am no mathematician..and that’s why any tools or thought process or module I can adopt to make sense of it will be enormously helpful to my learning.

mytailorisrich 7y ago

They also tend to pass obvious or self-fulfilling advice off as 'prediction'. This is an actual prediction for Pisces about January 2020 that I've found on a British newspaper's website: " Splash out on some fashionable clothes or a new hairstyle on the 13th, when you're sure to be delighted with your new look. " Yes, if someone splashes out on new clothes and new hairstyle I'm sure that the probability of them being 'delighted' is very high even if, gasp, they do it on another day.

jelliclesfarm 7y ago
I am not interested in that kind of astrology. I want to map out the whole rules of astrology and see if a pattern emerges.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  I'm sure the astrologer who came up with that 'prediction' will be able to explain to you very seriously how (s)he followed the rules and observed the planets to discover that the 13th January has cosmic significance for Pisces and a pampering day.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    I understand that you don’t subscribe to astrology. There is no need to respond to this thread, no? I am not looking for someone to convince me or guide me. I have already decided to learn astrology. I want to use the right tools to be able to map it. It is the same if i want to learn astrology or predict human behavior. I guess thanks for your engagement, but you are not being helpful.

jelliclesfarm 7y ago

Do you have any suggestions to document it so a kind of visual map emerges as I keep adding modules to it? I am sure there is a psychology aspect to it and that’s why I am not interested in learning to predict for people...then it becomes a people pleasing thing. I want to connect to the mythology and the rules to understand why and how they emerge to form patterns

jascii 7y ago

While I personally do not believe in predictive powers of astrology, that is specifically not what the OP asks about. If you bother to read the question, you might notice the OP asks about ayurvedic (Hindu) astrology, and I don't think you can seperate the cultural relevance from the study.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

That's what it is now, but Medieval and earlier, and in the same era Islamic and Indian astrology were well respected fields of study and scholars studied it seriously. Granted they had some very wrong headed ideas on many things, not just stellar influences -- every disease was a judgement of god, doctors checking horoscopes to decide treatment, treatments that were sometimes worse than the condition, etc. Though in those times Islamic and Indian treatments were far more based in fact than those in Europe -- who mainly wouldn't consider them as they were non-christian. :) Would be interesting to try and find a real pattern in any of it (by which I specifically don't mean the type you mention, or the 3 sentences of dross once found in daily newspapers)... https://www.bl.uk/learning/cult/bodies/astrology/astrologyhome.html https://www.bl.uk/learning/cult/bodies/astrology/astrologyho...

mytailorisrich 7y ago
Astrology hasn't fundamentally changed. Our understanding of the world has.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Which is not the point of OP's question.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    Thank you. Why did ancient people look up at the skies and try to make sense of it..they created charts and tried to figure out their paths. A lot of astrological concepts are certainly archetypes but if you strip all that down, at the core is an attempt to understand the traffic patterns of celestial bodies and it’s impact on us. I do see the impact of weather and climate and lunar cycles in my farm and plant growth cycles. One cannot work the soil and in nature and deny that there is some kind of thread that connects earth and the skies. Someone long time ago suggested that it affects human behaviors and motivations. Romantically I can say that we are made of water and stardust and hence of course, they affect us..but surely it can also be conveyed mathematically? That’s what I want to learn about..I am no mathematician..and that’s why any tools or thought process or module I can adopt to make sense of it will be enormously helpful to my learning.