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We already have drug testing in many industries, particularly shipping. https://www.portseattle.org/sites/default/files/2018-03/Drug%20Testing%20FAQs.pdf https

We already have drug testing in many industries, particularly shipping. https://www.portseattle.org/sites/default/files/2018-03/Drug%20Testing%20FAQs.pdf https://www.portseattle.org/sites/default/files/2018-03/Drug...

zamadatix 7y ago
To see if you're illegally operating port machinery in a state likely to kill people is a different discussion than "did they have a smoke on their day off?"
- Cougher 7y ago
  Do they test for Ambien use?
ATsch 7y ago
The overuse of employee drug testing should be forbid too, unless there are specific good reasons for it. In fact I think it's pretty revealing as to how poorly our society treats and thinks about people suffering from addictions that this discussion is only being had now that it hits people niccotine addiction, which is far less stigmanized than most other harmful drugs. Arguably, before, people didn't care, because it only hit the less-than-human "junkies".
abstractbarista 7y ago
What everyone's missing here is that drug tests are basically a joke for everything except THC (of which the metabolites are fat-soluble and take longer to excrete). You can just not consume nicotine for a couple weeks and then go take your test. If you're using harder drugs like meth or heroin, you don't need to wait nearly as long. Using someone else's urine is also easy, but this is a crime in many states. Is UHaul really going to hair + blood + urine test each employee not only before hiring, but randomly throughout employment? That gets expensive fast. Ultimately the whole thing is silly. Show up, do your work well, and leave. Simple as that. (Yes, dangerous jobs like pilots and ambulance drivers should probably be randomly tested during work hours to ensure common-sense responsibility.)
- dmurray 7y ago
  Most nicotine users can't just "not consume nicotine for a couple of weeks" without physical side effects. Most of the ones who can, already have given it up.
- caconym_ 7y ago
  This is sort of missing the point. If my employer wants to make my employment contingent on not entertaining subversive thoughts, they'll have a heck of a time doing it today. Maybe they can e.g. devise some questionnaire or half-assed Voight-Kampff-style test that appeals to upper-middle-manager types with its high price tag and euphemistic-authoritarian marketing verbiage, but one has to imagine it would be fairly easy to fool. So from a certain perspective, it's not really worth worrying about. But then, when they figure out how to really make it work, we're already living in a society where the theoretical concept of it is completely mainstream and acceptable, and at that point what will stop it from becoming the new status quo?

zamadatix 7y ago

To see if you're illegally operating port machinery in a state likely to kill people is a different discussion than "did they have a smoke on their day off?"

Cougher 7y ago
Do they test for Ambien use?

ATsch 7y ago

The overuse of employee drug testing should be forbid too, unless there are specific good reasons for it. In fact I think it's pretty revealing as to how poorly our society treats and thinks about people suffering from addictions that this discussion is only being had now that it hits people niccotine addiction, which is far less stigmanized than most other harmful drugs. Arguably, before, people didn't care, because it only hit the less-than-human "junkies".

abstractbarista 7y ago

What everyone's missing here is that drug tests are basically a joke for everything except THC (of which the metabolites are fat-soluble and take longer to excrete). You can just not consume nicotine for a couple weeks and then go take your test. If you're using harder drugs like meth or heroin, you don't need to wait nearly as long. Using someone else's urine is also easy, but this is a crime in many states. Is UHaul really going to hair + blood + urine test each employee not only before hiring, but randomly throughout employment? That gets expensive fast. Ultimately the whole thing is silly. Show up, do your work well, and leave. Simple as that. (Yes, dangerous jobs like pilots and ambulance drivers should probably be randomly tested during work hours to ensure common-sense responsibility.)

dmurray 7y ago
Most nicotine users can't just "not consume nicotine for a couple of weeks" without physical side effects. Most of the ones who can, already have given it up.
caconym_ 7y ago
This is sort of missing the point. If my employer wants to make my employment contingent on not entertaining subversive thoughts, they'll have a heck of a time doing it today. Maybe they can e.g. devise some questionnaire or half-assed Voight-Kampff-style test that appeals to upper-middle-manager types with its high price tag and euphemistic-authoritarian marketing verbiage, but one has to imagine it would be fairly easy to fool. So from a certain perspective, it's not really worth worrying about. But then, when they figure out how to really make it work, we're already living in a society where the theoretical concept of it is completely mainstream and acceptable, and at that point what will stop it from becoming the new status quo?