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The survival of hundreds of people has more value than freedom of an individual in his free time. One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/

by spiorf 7y ago

The survival of hundreds of people has more value than freedom of an individual in his free time. One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/entertainment/whatever. Profit for a business, on the other hand, must not have more value than freedom of an individual. Otherwise, taking this to the extreme, it means slavery. Max profit for no freedom.

ProAm 7y ago
I mostly agree, but U-Haul is also directly involved with transportation that can affect hundreds. But I strongly suspect they are just trying to lower their insurance premiums and costs of employees not at work/downtime due to health related illness
- rubyfan 7y ago
  Corporate employers generally pay a big chunk of healthcare plans and the large size of the pool is helpful in keeping overall risk and cost lower. As long as people expect to get their health care from their employers then employers will have a say in lifestyle decisions of their employees.
  - ProAm 7y ago
    That is not how health care was started as a job perk in the US, it was used as a tool to lure employees to work for your company. It's a benefit of working there, because they will get the best employees because they offer the best benefits. With unemployment so low in the US it will be interesting to see how this fairs. A company should not dictate (largely) how you get to live your life while not at work. It's a job, not a lifestyle.
randallsquared 7y ago
> One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/entertainment/whatever. I assume you mean to assert that the cutoff for putting people at risk for fun is somewhere below pilots going on a bender before flying, but somewhere above getting in a car and driving to the movie theater?
- wyre 7y ago
  Going on a bender, getting into a car and driving is also illegal.
raverbashing 7y ago
Sure. But is there significant performance/safety impairment connected to nicotine use? I don't think so.

by spiorf 7y ago

ProAm 7y ago

I mostly agree, but U-Haul is also directly involved with transportation that can affect hundreds. But I strongly suspect they are just trying to lower their insurance premiums and costs of employees not at work/downtime due to health related illness

rubyfan 7y ago
Corporate employers generally pay a big chunk of healthcare plans and the large size of the pool is helpful in keeping overall risk and cost lower. As long as people expect to get their health care from their employers then employers will have a say in lifestyle decisions of their employees.
- ProAm 7y ago
  That is not how health care was started as a job perk in the US, it was used as a tool to lure employees to work for your company. It's a benefit of working there, because they will get the best employees because they offer the best benefits. With unemployment so low in the US it will be interesting to see how this fairs. A company should not dictate (largely) how you get to live your life while not at work. It's a job, not a lifestyle.

randallsquared 7y ago

> One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/entertainment/whatever. I assume you mean to assert that the cutoff for putting people at risk for fun is somewhere below pilots going on a bender before flying, but somewhere above getting in a car and driving to the movie theater?

wyre 7y ago
Going on a bender, getting into a car and driving is also illegal.

raverbashing 7y ago

Sure. But is there significant performance/safety impairment connected to nicotine use? I don't think so.