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>Who's forcing folks to use gender neutral pronouns "at all times"? You only have to use them for people who have requested it. An excerpt from Monica's side o
by EpicEng 7y ago
>Who's forcing folks to use gender neutral pronouns "at all times"? You only have to use them for people who have requested it.
An excerpt from Monica's side of things:
>Under some pressure I said I don't use singular they or words like chairwoman but solve the problem other ways (with examples)." She said the moderator linked to her question and called her a bigot.
From what I have been able to gather, it would have been very difficult to comply with the proposed CoC without literally asking someone what their ponouns are or risk a villation. Whether or not the latter would have been actually enforced I can't say, but it all sounds rather half baked and would have led to a very vague definition of how one person is allowed to address another.
I also don't agree at all with the set of new nonsense pronouns like ze and xi. It's not useful as a language construct and I'm not ready to hand over the linquistic reins to a tiny minority.
>The real number of people who would be happier with a non-cis identity is probably much higher, somewhere around 5-10% by my estimate.
I can see why you doubt the 0.6% number (many people won't admit it), and that's fair, but your number sounds completely fictional. 10%?! C'mon. That requires some backing up.
- damnyou 7y agoI think the CoC was badly structured and agree that Monica isn't at fault, for context. I think that it was quite appropriate to fire some other moderators though, like the one for the Christianity SE who point blank refused to gender people correctly. I know a lot of nonbinary people — many use neopronouns but they are all reasonable people. I don't know anyone who wouldn't also be ok with they/them. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/in-the-news/27-percent-california-teens-gender-nonconforming/ https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/in-the-news/27-... GNC is not the same as trans, but the high numbers do suggest a much greater number of people are happier outside strict gender roles. It wouldn't be too much of an extension to say that this may apply to the pronouns they are happiest with as well.
- EpicEng 7y agoAgreed, if someone asks me to use she instead of he, or they instead of <whatever>, I'm good with it. Anything else is actual bigotry as there's just no other reasonable reason to not comply. I also think we get worked up about things that live on the edges. Extreme viewpoints either way which are battled out on the internet, but don't represent the opinions of most people. The new pronouns though... I don't know, that may take me a while.
- damnyou 7y agoSure, that sounds reasonable to me.