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I'm not sure this works out. I know that people who operate heavy machinery in some states are tested to make sure they never, even in their free time, ingest c
by mfer 7y ago
I'm not sure this works out. I know that people who operate heavy machinery in some states are tested to make sure they never, even in their free time, ingest certain things. Even legal ones. In their case it's done (IIRC) because of the impact those things can have on decision making and it's a safety issue. These situations can even be required by insurance companies to have coverage for the machinery operation.
While the case is different it does show a precedent for dictating some lifestyle choices as a matter of employment.
- im3w1l 7y agoYeah if it impacts your ability to do your work more than a little that's a different thing.
- ProAm 7y agoPilots cannot consume alcohol 8 hours prior to flying for example.
- spiorf 7y agoThe survival of hundreds of people has more value than freedom of an individual in his free time. One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/entertainment/whatever. Profit for a business, on the other hand, must not have more value than freedom of an individual. Otherwise, taking this to the extreme, it means slavery. Max profit for no freedom.
- ProAm 7y agoI mostly agree, but U-Haul is also directly involved with transportation that can affect hundreds. But I strongly suspect they are just trying to lower their insurance premiums and costs of employees not at work/downtime due to health related illness
- rubyfan 7y agoCorporate employers generally pay a big chunk of healthcare plans and the large size of the pool is helpful in keeping overall risk and cost lower. As long as people expect to get their health care from their employers then employers will have a say in lifestyle decisions of their employees.
- ProAm 7y agoThat is not how health care was started as a job perk in the US, it was used as a tool to lure employees to work for your company. It's a benefit of working there, because they will get the best employees because they offer the best benefits. With unemployment so low in the US it will be interesting to see how this fairs. A company should not dictate (largely) how you get to live your life while not at work. It's a job, not a lifestyle.
- randallsquared 7y ago> One should not be allowed to put other people at risk for fun/entertainment/whatever. I assume you mean to assert that the cutoff for putting people at risk for fun is somewhere below pilots going on a bender before flying, but somewhere above getting in a car and driving to the movie theater?
- wyre 7y agoGoing on a bender, getting into a car and driving is also illegal.
- raverbashing 7y agoSure. But is there significant performance/safety impairment connected to nicotine use? I don't think so.
- Wistar 7y agoSemi-old pilot adage: "8 hours from the bottle to the throttle and 8 hours from the toke to the yoke." Personally, I am skeptical that this is enough time in all cases.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y agoTwo hours/drink is what I've been told it takes the body to process. Mind you I didn't fact check this, and it's highly variable.
- ryanmarsh 7y agoWhile the case is different That's an understatement. It's wildly different. Nicotine doesn't impair judgement. In fact the short term effects are positive (it can be calming or enhance alertness).