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> ” So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues)” No. That’s why I opened with what for me would be the most compelling reason for C

by grzm 7y ago

> ” So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues)” No. That’s why I opened with what for me would be the most compelling reason for CarPlay to be a deal breaker: integration with apps already on my device. > ”because of an opinion you've formed of me based on my comment history” You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful and I’m careful not to use them. You’re right, you can be critical of something without disliking or hating it.

cptskippy 7y ago
> You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Not to slight you personally, I just don't pay attention to usernames in online discussion forums for the most part so that contextualization and framing is lost on me. It's rare that I take not of a username or think "oh it's that guy". > Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful. I would disagree. While they might be inaccurate labels, however they succinctly communicate the perception of the person using the label. Saying "you think I'm an Apple hater" conveys the same sentiment as "I get the impression that, after you having looked through my comment history, you think that I am irrationally prejudiced against Apple Products".
- grzm 7y ago
  “Irrational” is not what I intended by “seriously consider Apple or IOS”: my intent was that after having considered the trade offs and what Apple is likely to do in the future, Apple and iOS are not something you would seriously consider as a contender. Apologies for any part I may have played in that misunderstanding.
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    Considering we have had discussions about Apple products in the past and you've browsed by comment history, then you'd know that my job requires me to use Apple products and of the 3 machines issued to me, 2 are Apple. You could also probably infer that most of my family uses Apple products and that I am tech support for them. For you to assert that I would never seriously consider Apple products implies one of two things. Either I am making an informed decision based on my extensive knowledge of them and the company, or it's an irrational decision based on my feelings. Why do I need to justify myself to this extent and still not have an answer to my original question about why CarPlay is such a dealbreaker? To elaborate my original question further... I realize the overwhelming majority of car infotainment systems are hot steaming garbage. I would even be willing to say all of them are, with the exception of Tesla's. With that in mind, why is CarPlay a deal breaker for some consider a Tesla. To me, CarPlay being a deal breaker means either there's a problem Tesla's system or CarPlay has value beyond what Tesla is doing. So which is it and why? Thus far the best answer I have gotten is "you would never seriously consider an Apple product".

by grzm 7y ago

cptskippy 7y ago

> You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Not to slight you personally, I just don't pay attention to usernames in online discussion forums for the most part so that contextualization and framing is lost on me. It's rare that I take not of a username or think "oh it's that guy". > Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful. I would disagree. While they might be inaccurate labels, however they succinctly communicate the perception of the person using the label. Saying "you think I'm an Apple hater" conveys the same sentiment as "I get the impression that, after you having looked through my comment history, you think that I am irrationally prejudiced against Apple Products".

grzm 7y ago
“Irrational” is not what I intended by “seriously consider Apple or IOS”: my intent was that after having considered the trade offs and what Apple is likely to do in the future, Apple and iOS are not something you would seriously consider as a contender. Apologies for any part I may have played in that misunderstanding.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  Considering we have had discussions about Apple products in the past and you've browsed by comment history, then you'd know that my job requires me to use Apple products and of the 3 machines issued to me, 2 are Apple. You could also probably infer that most of my family uses Apple products and that I am tech support for them. For you to assert that I would never seriously consider Apple products implies one of two things. Either I am making an informed decision based on my extensive knowledge of them and the company, or it's an irrational decision based on my feelings. Why do I need to justify myself to this extent and still not have an answer to my original question about why CarPlay is such a dealbreaker? To elaborate my original question further... I realize the overwhelming majority of car infotainment systems are hot steaming garbage. I would even be willing to say all of them are, with the exception of Tesla's. With that in mind, why is CarPlay a deal breaker for some consider a Tesla. To me, CarPlay being a deal breaker means either there's a problem Tesla's system or CarPlay has value beyond what Tesla is doing. So which is it and why? Thus far the best answer I have gotten is "you would never seriously consider an Apple product".