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Team Fortress 2 is going through a nasty bot invasion right now (mostly on EU servers) and the community has been using the vote kick in a very good manner. Mo

by maeln 7y ago

Team Fortress 2 is going through a nasty bot invasion right now (mostly on EU servers) and the community has been using the vote kick in a very good manner. Most cheaters/bots are really easy to spot since they don't even try to be sneaky about it. You will see their view port instantly change, they never miss a shot, their cross hair always stays on a player model even behind wall, ... Most people recognized the difference between a cheater and a good player fairly easily. It is even more blatant in a game like TF2 were most shots are actual projectile and not hitscan which mean that most cheater use a specific class/load out that is compatible with a basic aimbot. Another way to see it is with cosmetics. Most cheater use throwaway account, they don't want their account with valuable items getting banned, so they only rock the basic cosmetics. All of these combined make it so that I never saw an actual good player getting kicked. I don't know if Battlefield V has similar system, but making player care more about their account actually provide a good filter for this kinds of situations.

sevenf0ur 7y ago
Vote kick is only effective against cheaters that make it obvious. For the 5% of cheaters that are more subtle about it, there's a good chance their team won't vote to kick them. And since the TF team disabled spectating players, confirming that a player is skilled vs cheating is nearly impossible right now. Thankfully, the number of cheaters (in US) is low enough that I can requeue if things get out of hand. Hopefully it stays that way.
- anonymousab 7y ago
  When they become indistinguishable then it isn't so much of a problem anymore. Because there's no effective difference to you, the other player, between the opponent being a cheater and the opponent being really good. When they're hard, but beatable. This goes out the window when there are tangible rewards for winning a match, both getting killed, etc.
justincredible 7y ago
> Another way to see it is with cosmetics. Most cheater use throwaway account, they don't want their account with valuable items getting banned, so they only rock the basic cosmetics. It's probably a good heuristic, but not everyone like to waste their money.
strbean 7y ago
> Most cheaters/bots are really easy to spot since they don't even try to be sneaky about it. This could very well be a case of selection bias. I think there is a significant portion of cheaters who just want to get a leg up, rather than ragehack and pwn everyone. When I was 13 trying to play CS, for example, I used a multihack with crappy 'humanizing' aimbot and wall/esp hacks. I could still barely get a kill, but it changed my gameplay experience from "run across them map, instantly die, wait for next round" to something a little more fun. I actually feel like it improved my gameplay because I could learn what to expect from other players, what routes and timings were common, faster than I could through regular play. Of course, now I would just watch demos / pro play to get the same value.
- ngold 7y ago
  What I always did since cs 1.6 is, follow the best player and don't get in their way. They know the map layouts better than anyone. You don't have to cheat to kick it.
  - zo1 7y ago
    That and you're actively helping/backing-up an already skilled player. The definition of teamwork. Everyone plays a role, and they don't necessarily have to be rockstars to do it.
  - strbean 7y ago
    Makes sense, although that might end with that player getting pissed off from being repeatedly baited :)

by maeln 7y ago

sevenf0ur 7y ago

Vote kick is only effective against cheaters that make it obvious. For the 5% of cheaters that are more subtle about it, there's a good chance their team won't vote to kick them. And since the TF team disabled spectating players, confirming that a player is skilled vs cheating is nearly impossible right now. Thankfully, the number of cheaters (in US) is low enough that I can requeue if things get out of hand. Hopefully it stays that way.

anonymousab 7y ago
When they become indistinguishable then it isn't so much of a problem anymore. Because there's no effective difference to you, the other player, between the opponent being a cheater and the opponent being really good. When they're hard, but beatable. This goes out the window when there are tangible rewards for winning a match, both getting killed, etc.

justincredible 7y ago

> Another way to see it is with cosmetics. Most cheater use throwaway account, they don't want their account with valuable items getting banned, so they only rock the basic cosmetics. It's probably a good heuristic, but not everyone like to waste their money.

strbean 7y ago

> Most cheaters/bots are really easy to spot since they don't even try to be sneaky about it. This could very well be a case of selection bias. I think there is a significant portion of cheaters who just want to get a leg up, rather than ragehack and pwn everyone. When I was 13 trying to play CS, for example, I used a multihack with crappy 'humanizing' aimbot and wall/esp hacks. I could still barely get a kill, but it changed my gameplay experience from "run across them map, instantly die, wait for next round" to something a little more fun. I actually feel like it improved my gameplay because I could learn what to expect from other players, what routes and timings were common, faster than I could through regular play. Of course, now I would just watch demos / pro play to get the same value.

ngold 7y ago
What I always did since cs 1.6 is, follow the best player and don't get in their way. They know the map layouts better than anyone. You don't have to cheat to kick it.
- zo1 7y ago
  That and you're actively helping/backing-up an already skilled player. The definition of teamwork. Everyone plays a role, and they don't necessarily have to be rockstars to do it.
- strbean 7y ago
  Makes sense, although that might end with that player getting pissed off from being repeatedly baited :)