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Not having thousands of dollars you may have otherwise to use for various productive purposes had can also have a detrimental effect on health.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
Thanks! That's certainly one of the confounding factors I had in mind when I was writing this. The same goes for traveling to and fro meetings. This is especially painful for hardworking yet poor mentally ill and unskilled workers trying to get their life together. Overcoming mental illness, childhood abuse, medical issues, witnessing or being a victim of a crime, and bettering oneself, oftentimes several of these at once, is a Herculean feat. Asking for help does not mean someone is lesser. In fact, by not helping someone in need they're less likely to ask for help before they do something permanent. For some all this work proves too difficult. For so many reasons. Most Americans are scraping by with medical, addiction, or mental issues on top of being underpaid, under educated, overworked, and priced out of necessary services like mental/health/child care, housing, and transportation. It's no wonder so many articles and studies bemoan the current state of affairs.
- TheOperator 7y ago
  The scheduling is even worse for free services where hours the services are offered are limited especially if you're holding down a job, and once you make it work by waking up a couple hours earlier thna normal and jumping through a bunch of hoops... the care is temporary and you need to find something else in a few months. If anything I think part of the value of seeking out mental healthcare is symbolic. I.E. it's so difficult and costly you convince yourself that you must really want to get better, can work hard, and that something so burdensome must work or nobody would bother with it (a sort of placebo effect). Yet it's easy to get jaded and easy to find yourself going through some ineffectual therapy at great personal cost. I also think that people are really hung-up on two specific approaches, namely talk therapy and drugs, when they can simply not be cost-effective. It's really costly to put a specialist through years of school, and heat up those counselling offices, and all of that. If you're poor enough that money can make a HUGE impact on the diet you can afford and the exercise you can get. People seem to have this funny idea that somebody living an impoverished miserable life will be happy if somebody says some kind words to them and drugs are altering their neurotransmitter levels.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
    You're getting at what's known as rotten life syndrome[1]. The themes are consistent across every demographic. When someone is underemployed, overworked, under housed, impoverished, starving, a victim of crime/persecution, etc then they will manifest the symptoms of various mental illnesses depending on what's going wrong in their life. Therapy cannot be useful if the basic life of a person is unstable. Yet these people are told they aren't working hard enough, they deserve what they get, etc. It's absolutely ridiculous. We have the means the house, clothe, feed, and care for everyone. Our electorate has, and probably will, continue to get away with, misappropriating these resources for their own gain, at the cost of countless human lives. 1. https://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/mental-health/ https://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/mental-health/

Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago

Thanks! That's certainly one of the confounding factors I had in mind when I was writing this. The same goes for traveling to and fro meetings. This is especially painful for hardworking yet poor mentally ill and unskilled workers trying to get their life together. Overcoming mental illness, childhood abuse, medical issues, witnessing or being a victim of a crime, and bettering oneself, oftentimes several of these at once, is a Herculean feat. Asking for help does not mean someone is lesser. In fact, by not helping someone in need they're less likely to ask for help before they do something permanent. For some all this work proves too difficult. For so many reasons. Most Americans are scraping by with medical, addiction, or mental issues on top of being underpaid, under educated, overworked, and priced out of necessary services like mental/health/child care, housing, and transportation. It's no wonder so many articles and studies bemoan the current state of affairs.

TheOperator 7y ago
The scheduling is even worse for free services where hours the services are offered are limited especially if you're holding down a job, and once you make it work by waking up a couple hours earlier thna normal and jumping through a bunch of hoops... the care is temporary and you need to find something else in a few months. If anything I think part of the value of seeking out mental healthcare is symbolic. I.E. it's so difficult and costly you convince yourself that you must really want to get better, can work hard, and that something so burdensome must work or nobody would bother with it (a sort of placebo effect). Yet it's easy to get jaded and easy to find yourself going through some ineffectual therapy at great personal cost. I also think that people are really hung-up on two specific approaches, namely talk therapy and drugs, when they can simply not be cost-effective. It's really costly to put a specialist through years of school, and heat up those counselling offices, and all of that. If you're poor enough that money can make a HUGE impact on the diet you can afford and the exercise you can get. People seem to have this funny idea that somebody living an impoverished miserable life will be happy if somebody says some kind words to them and drugs are altering their neurotransmitter levels.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
  You're getting at what's known as rotten life syndrome[1]. The themes are consistent across every demographic. When someone is underemployed, overworked, under housed, impoverished, starving, a victim of crime/persecution, etc then they will manifest the symptoms of various mental illnesses depending on what's going wrong in their life. Therapy cannot be useful if the basic life of a person is unstable. Yet these people are told they aren't working hard enough, they deserve what they get, etc. It's absolutely ridiculous. We have the means the house, clothe, feed, and care for everyone. Our electorate has, and probably will, continue to get away with, misappropriating these resources for their own gain, at the cost of countless human lives. 1. https://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/mental-health/ https://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/mental-health/